External Opening Doors

[Gel Building]

The doors on the right side open outwards.
Why the doors sitting out of the wall?
What setting am i missing.

Thanks

[Tommy Blair]

George, this won't help but it's been discussed before.

http://www.chieftalk.com/showthread....oor+brick+wall

[SDS Chris]

not sure here - however......

But - do your walls have layers that define an interior and exterior side layer?

What is the frame depth on the doors? It needs to be less than the main layer thickness of the wall.

[Joe Carrick]

This is a bug in Chief that occurs when an "Out-Swinging Door" is "recessed".

[billemery]

This can be corrected by using a custom door with the Y origin specified as a negative value equal to the thickness of the outer layer

[Joe Carrick]

It could also be corrected by CA fixing the software

[billemery]

Notice also that the Y origin of the door hardware needs to be corrected.

Joe, I'm grateful for the program as it is now; knowing that it is a massive work in progress, and also knowing that it will continue to evolve for the foreseeable future.

[Gene Davis]

Too bad we can't control the position of the hardware.

Wait a minute! Did not check this but will. Model the slab with it's hardware, and in the door dbx hardware tab, specify None for all interior and exterior handles and locks.

The stretchy thing will need to be dealt with, so the hardware does not distort during door width resizing, but that's just a symbol-spec detail in the stretch planes section.

Edit: Look what Gene-o found in the 3D warehouse! Some helpful Sketchupper did a whole doggone series of these. What you see here is one I edited to delete the frame. Ya know what I'm thinking now? One can add an exterior threshold to this and get the whole package. Chief does the frame, the symbol does the rest: slab, knobs, hinges, threshold.

I'll paint one side of this door in emerald green, 'cause it's St. Patrick's day, in honor of my great-granny Maggie Rutherford Davis, whose middle name I share. She departed County Caven in 1837 and sailed on a ship with her father and brother, and landed in Maine.

[BREEZE WOOD]

Software is / was shipped with recess setting for doors and windows, not a good idea.....you are aware?

[Joe Carrick]

Has anyone else noticed - Chief thinks the outside face of an out-swinging door is the Interior Face? IOW, as far as Chief is concerned it's really the "Hinge Side". The dbx should be changed to "Hinge Face" or "Swing Side" vs "Interior Face" in the materials tab.

[Gene Davis]

Hey, Joe! Sure, we've noticed. But we deal with it with our workarounds.

There is a lot Chief can do to get up to speed as regards doors, but then one could say that about quite a few other parts of a house.

Exterior doors have thresholds. Interior doors rarely do. Exterior doors have full-rebate frames and weatherstripping that is visible. Interior doors almost never have any kind of stripping, and usually have applied stops or frames that look as if the stops are applied.

Unless you are dealing with hardware (latch/lock) specification, an interior door isn't really specified as "inswing" or "outswing" as we do for an exterior door. In Chief, we cursor-control swing in planview, for exterior and interior doors.

But Chief knows which side of an exterior door is the "out" side, because of the config of its surrounding wall. Chief should be able to deal with an outswing exterior door drawn in planview as swinging out, and give it its features. It does not, as the program now operates.

You are right about the "side" callout for materials. Chief could easily change that in the next release in order to make things understood more clearly.

[Gel Building]

Yeah Joe if you untick the being recessed it fixes the gap.

Mark here on Chief talk suggested it