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Thread: Dimensioning Elevation Plans
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11-29-2007, 11:51 AM #31
You guys aren't going to believe this...
If you put a "#" in the text for your point marker and put a value in the Height box, it displays that value (see attached image).
Yeah. I know. I was completely baffled, too.Sarah Mitchell
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11-29-2007, 12:04 PM #32Registered User Promoted
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Wendy, thanks for trying to enlighten me. I think I understand xyz axis. It's been 40 years but I still remember geometry class (some great looking girls in that class). Are you saying that if I use transform/replicate from a section view and check move and absolute location that the Y Position is indcating up and down on a 2 dimensional screen and I use Z Delta to move it up and down because in reality I am moving up & down in 3D?
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11-29-2007, 12:23 PM #33Originally Posted by spark
Sarah that is interesting but seems like a useless feature, you might as well just type the dimension into the text line. Unless I am missing something, which is entirely possibleJP Ware Design, LEED AP
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11-29-2007, 05:09 PM #34Originally Posted by John D Atkinson
In Chief 10 - Y was up and down in elevation - and was forward and backward in plan.
In Chief X1 - Z is up and down everywhere, including in elevation - and Y is forward and backward everywhere.Wendy Lee Welton
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11-29-2007, 08:34 PM #35Originally Posted by JP WareTommy Blair
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11-30-2007, 05:11 AM #36Registered User Promoted
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Originally Posted by WendyWelton
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11-30-2007, 03:54 PM #37Originally Posted by Tommy BlairSarah Mitchell
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12-01-2007, 08:25 AM #38Originally Posted by John D Atkinson
Either you're describing what happens in Chief 10, not X1 - or you've caught me in a boo boo. What I describe is what happens to cad lines, text & dimensions. I rarely use the text marker itself, and am not at a machine with Chief right now to try it.
If you're correct and text markers behave differently than everything else, then they didn't not fully carry through on the whole "noun-verb consistency" thing that they described to us at the NE meeting as the basis for many of these changes.
Maybe somebody with X1 running can test it:
In an elevation - place a cad line, a text item, and a marker. Move each one 24" in the Z direction. Do they behave the same or not?Wendy Lee Welton
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12-01-2007, 09:00 AM #39Originally Posted by WendyWeltonTommy Blair
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12-01-2007, 09:58 AM #40Member-Cliff Cain
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There is no Z field for lines in Elevation. Opening the Line Spec. and you will see the Y is actually the Z, or at least that's the way it appears to me. This then goes to Transform/Replicate, where it has a Z field, but since the Line doesn't, it places that value in the Y field, instead of the Z........Confusing isn't it....Then do what Tommy says.
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12-01-2007, 05:03 PM #41
Cliff,
Yes - there is no Z field in the dbx for a line in elevation. However - moving things in the Z direction works in X1 using Transform/Replicate.
Tommy,
Correct - moving in Y direction in section or elevation in X1 often appears to do nothing. Depending on which way you cut your section, it might be moving it straight away from you.
In Transform/Replicate - Where you used to enter a number in the Y delta field to move towards the top of a section or elevation in Chief 10 - In Chief X1 you enter the same number in the Z delta field. Z is up, towards the sky - in plan, in section, everywhere. They've made it so that up is up, period - even if you've tilted your drawing plane.
From everybody's posts, I suspect that people are reading this and trying to picture it in their minds. Try it in a drawing. Put a line across a section or elevation. Select it. Select the T/R tool. Check either "move" or "copy" and put a value in the [COLOR="Red"]Z [/COLOR]delta field.
btw - I remember what the deal is with the marker thing. Dan posted about it. If you place a text maker in plan, it will report the elevation in place of "#". Try it on a floor, then a landing. It's pretty cool. That other field where you can type that in strikes me as odd, but this first is handy. I suspect that feature was designed purely for plan. It would be very slick if it also worked in section or elevation. (um - and is actually kinda lame that's it's sitting there confusing us)Wendy Lee Welton
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12-01-2007, 05:22 PM #42Originally Posted by WendyWeltonTommy Blair
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12-01-2007, 06:53 PM #43Member-Cliff Cain
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WendyWelton
Cliff,
Yes - there is no Z field in the dbx for a line in elevation. However - moving things in the Z direction works in X1 using Transform/Replicate.
Thank you Wendy. I was aware of this. It is confusing, to say the least. In Cad Details, Wall Details, etc, it works the same as in V10. X1 works too, except in Elevations, there is no value in the Z field (Transform/Replicate), to start off with. It is set to 0, no matter where the object is placed in Elevation View. Instead, that value is placed in the Y field. But, as you said, it does work. And, as Tommy says, there is an extra step, or extra math. This is when "Absolute Location" is checked for "Move".
http://www.chieftalk.com/showthread....rm%2FReplicateCliff
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12-01-2007, 06:58 PM #44
Thank you Cliff! You are the one that told me how to do this in the 1st place. I have only been talking about elevations, or maybe I should clarify. Exterior Elevations. The link you posted is absolutely correct. You make me feel better now and not so frustrated.
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12-01-2007, 07:25 PM #45Member-Cliff Cain
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You're welcome Tommy. You'll sleep better tonight.
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