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11-29-2007, 07:22 AM #16Yep... I Just Delete The Surface... Completely Accurate And The Fastest Way I Believe......
Slide the camera!
Amazing, an elevation view instantly becomes a cross section.Last edited by louis; 11-29-2007 at 08:31 AM.
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11-29-2007, 08:33 AM #17Registered User Promoted
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Thanks Tommy! It works like you say although I don't understand why entering a value in Z Delta changes the Y Position. (I'm using X1 BTW). Louis must be good to have figured that out!
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11-29-2007, 08:35 AM #18
You're welcome.
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11-29-2007, 09:54 AM #19Registered User Promoted
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Ric,
can you tell me more specificly how you use the delete surface method?
Tommy,
I like the way you use markers: I've got an opportunity to try that out today.
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11-29-2007, 10:22 AM #20
John,
In Chief 10 - Y is always up the page, in plan view, in elevation view, in section view...
In Chief X1, Z is towards the sky in all views. They are now consistently using the X, Y, Z coordinate system in all views.
So - for Sections and Elevations, where you moved things in the Y direction to move them towards the top, in X1 you move them in the Z direction instead.Wendy Lee Welton
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11-29-2007, 10:29 AM #21Originally Posted by WendyWeltonTommy Blair
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11-29-2007, 10:34 AM #22Registered User Promoted
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Wendy, it still seems confusing to me to have to use a Z Delta to move a Y Position.
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11-29-2007, 10:40 AM #23Registered User Promoted
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Why can't I select a level line marker in a cross section view, open its dbx, change the height and see it move? What does the height control anyway?
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11-29-2007, 10:44 AM #24Originally Posted by John D AtkinsonTommy Blair
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11-29-2007, 10:55 AM #25Registered User Promoted
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If you designate a text marker to be a level line marker in the dbx, right above the marker radius box another box shows up for height. What does that box do?
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11-29-2007, 11:00 AM #26Originally Posted by John D Atkinson
When you are working on a section or elevation, you are just looking at a different view of the same model. Chief 10 had X & Y as if it were on the paper - Y towards the top of the paper. There wasn't really a useful Z. When you moved something toward the top of the section, it was being treated as a flat piece of paper, which has no real Z. Now they're treating it like a 3D model.
Chief X1 has full X, Y & Z in all views. (Of course, someone will find a place where this was not carried through, but it's definately true of sections and elevations). Just remember that Z is towards the sky.
Another way to understand the concept is to
- Place a chair in your plan.
- Generate a section view that shows the chair.
- Generate a Vector Full Camera view that shows the chair in the room.
- Tile your view to show all three.
- Now select the chair in any of the three views
- Select the Transform/Replicate tool - check Move and put 24" in the box for Z Delta.
You will see the chair move 24" towards the sky in both your section and your 3D view.
- Undo and repeat, but put 24" in the Y Delta box. The chair will move 24" in the Y direction (towards the top of the screen in plan view) in all three views. It will behave exactly the same no matter which view you are using when you select the chair.
This is a confusing concept for people who did not come to Chief from other software that uses the X, Y, Z coordinates consistently and/or learned it in school. These coordinates are straight out of traditional geometry - that class most of us slept through. Even back in college, I'd see half the class holding their left hand up with forfinger pointed up, thumb toward them and index finger to the right, trying to make a concept that's not immediately untuitive sink into the brains - up to and including during the exam. (The hand thing is quite literally how they taught us this system). So - don't feel bad that it seems alien. You have plenty of company!Wendy Lee Welton
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11-29-2007, 11:04 AM #27Originally Posted by louisWendy Lee Welton
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11-29-2007, 11:11 AM #28Originally Posted by John D Atkinson
Hmm - I just tried placing one in a section view and changing this dimension. The listing in Help says it's for the "height of the marker in 3D space", yet mine did not move. Hmmm, says only for Level Line or Point Marker - I have "Level Line" checked.
I'm going to say that at a minimum this is totally unclear, and it might even be a bug.
Maybe somebody who uses this regularly can shed more light?Wendy Lee Welton
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11-29-2007, 11:38 AM #29
I'm hoping that CA will automate this task.
It seems to me that the info already resides inside the plan so why not have chief create an elevation with the dimensions placed as they are in tradtional architecture ? Are there various ways to do this ? If they are "standard" ways then Chief should let us choose via preferences or defaults which method to use.
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11-29-2007, 11:45 AM #30Originally Posted by John D Atkinson
It might even be related to text.
I'll get back to you guys when I find out more.Sarah Mitchell