Freize Find

[ChiefChris]

I found something the other day while working on a plan....maybe this has been spotted already, but I wanted to share this.

I know there has been some discussion about the auto-freize not relating correctly at corners with auto-returns...what I found is that different styles of returns cause different issues with the freize.

The image posted has 4 identical gable ends - each end is 12' with a 7 pitch gable roof. The difference is the returns...the only one that seems to create the correct freize as specified in the automatic freize tab in the roof tools dbx is the plane 42" gable return on the left...the other options do not generate the correct freize...WHY?

on another note: I also wondered - why is it that in he wall dbx for the gable walls, even though I have 10 pitch in the pitch box on the roof tab, it still generated a 7 pitch. the main roof is a 7 pitch, but i wanted to gables to be a 10....

[Ray C]

on another note: I also wondered - why is it that in he wall dbx[COLOR=darkorange] for the gable walls[/COLOR], even though I have 10 pitch in the pitch box on the roof tab, it still generated a 7 pitch. the main roof is a 7 pitch, but i wanted to gables to be a 10....

you need to enter the 10 on the two walls perpendicular to the gable, not the gable wall

As for the other stuff,,,, ya! I believe if you turn on the freeze mold in plan view and select the segment of the molding line that is not showing in 3D and check "molding on this line ?" the freeze will be turn on for that section
Ray

[Ray C]

[SIZE=3]O’h,,,, and Chris[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]“Thumbs up” J on the presentation and clarity of your question. I hope my answer has done justice to it. [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]Ray[/SIZE]

[ChiefChris]

you need to enter the 10 on the two walls perpendicular to the gable, not the gable wall

As for the other stuff,,,, ya! I believe if you turn on the freeze mold in plan view and select the segment of the molding line that is not showing in 3D and check "molding on this line ?" the freeze will be turn on for that section
Ray

Ray. Thanks for the input. Interestingly - with the auto roof tool done correctly stating the gable walls (perpendicular to) as a 10 - now my return roof freize is correct only on the gable returns - both of them. However, return #2 & 4 - the hip returns - are still not generating the correct freize...

I know all kinds of work-arounds to correct the freize as you suggested such as turning on the freeze mold in plan view and modifiying. BUT I shouldn't have to do that if it's an automatic feature...unless there is something else that I am not setting properly. Maybe someone else has 2¢ to give me.

[ChiefChris]

My conclusion is that when using the auto-roof-return tool in the roof tab of the wall BDX - a hip return roof does not accurately generate the freize. The gable & full return both do even when they extend past the main roof fascia line....

I'm not looking for ways to fix it...I know how to make it look right. I just wanted to make others aware if you hadn't been already. It's the hip returns that cause trouble....WHY...I dont know.

[Allen42acj]

Chris
Maybe if you post the plan..I am to lazy today to recreate that..

[ChiefChris]

Allen. just sent it to you....

[Allen42acj]

I could be a wise guy and say user error
But I don't think that was it..I had had to make the 56"long..
My guess is they have to be long enough so the rake freeze more than fits..Roof going up is at a slope to..
In real life hip returns have to be that much bigger..

[ChiefChris]

I like my real life hips to be small....

no really...i make my hips in reality only as far as they need to be so that they ridge along the gable face just hits the rake coming down the gable...but yes, i got it to work now too at a 56" hip return

what doesn't make sense to me is why that effects the freize...i can understand making the hip return longer to receive the gable rake...but why does that effect the return freize? (I want to know what the Chief is thinking)

[Allen42acj]

If you look the rake freeze is going through the return..
Making the other returns smaller has that effect to..
Could post a few things about hips Don't like them to small

[ChiefChris]

what about hip hop hippity hop lady?

[Allen42acj]

To skinny and to old..

[Allen42acj]

Chris
You have some strange porn links on your computer
Skinny old lady porn