How To Create a Deep inset Window With a Stucco Wrap?

[billemery]

Blinds can be a versatile symbol category. Let’s look at their characteristics;
• They are designed by Chief to fit in front of the window
• They are designed by Chief to be ¼” less than the inside of the frame height and width
• They have an origin that is frame thickness plus 1/8”
Our new symbol will have to adjust for these built in characteristics.

I’ve first created a molding that has the setback and radius that I want .You can see this in the plan attached above; I’ve saved it to the library.

My default window is a 3040 so I’ve drawn a polyline box in elevation with that dimension; I then convert it to a 3D molding polyline, and assign my stucco wrap molding to it. I then convert it to an interior fixture symbol, and save it to the library.

If you try using it as a blind at this point it will fit like a blind; so we need to make some adjustments to the symbol to make it work for our purpose.

Open the symbol, and under the 3D tab adjust the Y value to 11” to put the blind on the outside of the window, and adjust the Z value to -2 1/8” to bring the symbol down to the bottom of the window.
Then go to the sizing tab to adjust the size; X is 33 ¾” to expand the width, Z is 45 ¾” to expand the height. This is somewhat counter intuitive, but that’s how the sizing tab works.

Now we can apply the symbol the default window, and place and resize in the plan.

Here is some information on the window that I’m using: The frame is 2” side, top, and bottom, the frame depth is 3” and the inset is 5 13/16”. You can use any values you want here, but you’ll have to adjust the symbol to compensate.

I’ve set the stucco wall thickness to 13 9/16” but this doesn’t matter as long as you have enough depth to make the window work.

[sutcac]

I got stumped at this point. Can't figure out how to get the symbol tight to the opening. How about a hint, Bill?

[sutcac]

Got it, thanks Bill. Very clever. Seems a little more convoluted than altering your wall layers and just using a casing molding profile, but I can see the advantages to this approach.

[billemery]

Hi Bryce,
I developed this method to get automated interior radiused drywall wrap which cannot be done by manipulating wall layers. As you mention it does have advantages for exterior wraps as well; the primary one is that I can use the wall layers as I normally would to get my framing.

This method can be used to show a screen window, or decorative ironwork automatically.

[perryh]

Speaking of rounded corners, Almost every job these day have radius drywall corners, too small for a curved wall. I wish Chief would give an easy way to deal with this. Maybe something like corner boards could work but even better would be auto corners.

[billemery]

Hi Perry,
you mean like this?
These are simply double walls one with drywall one side and framing, the other is just drywall.

[Joe Carrick]

Maybe this will give a clue as to how to get bullnose window trim.

[perryh]

Hi Perry,
you mean like this?
These are simply double walls one with drywall one side and framing, the other is just drywall.

Yes, very nice ,Bill.
I just wish it was easier than having to make special walls etc.

[dshall]

Maybe this will give a clue as to how to get bullnose window trim.

Well Joe, you are a little late to the party. that is nothing new. You did not address the deep set window with the bullnose trim as Bill Emery did.

I did a video on the deep set window that I think would be the easiest solution, drawback not getting all the stud framing. Bill came up with a very clever solution that can be used for a number of things, but again depending on how he does it, he either does not get the extra wall framing or he has to live with very deep studs....... 16" studs and top plates if you want the window inset 12".

I get what you did Bill, thanks so much for your method. I have not had time to try it, but I will as soon as I have time. I have a feeling this will take a bit of work to get it right.

[perryh]

Ok just do it with walls like I do and it frames good, top of opening is a ceiling plane, bottom of opening is a roof plane and you can slope the bottom b/c its a roof plane.

[dshall]

Ok just do it with walls like I do and it frames good, top of opening is a ceiling plane, bottom of opening is a roof plane and you can slope the bottom b/c its a roof plane.

Yes, I have done it that way too. But a lot of work. The easiest solution would be if CA would allow us to define a wall type that has two layers of studs. As it is now, we can get the two layers of studs, but only the stud layer that is defined as a MAIN LAYER, will build the studs. The second stud layer will not frame the studs since it is not defined as a MAIN LAYER.

[perryh]

Agree, it would be a very lot easier. 2 framing layers in 1 wall is a must have.

[perryh]

Maybe this will give a clue as to how to get bullnose window trim.

Joe, this would also work for the deep set windows, you just change the molding type, seems simple to me

[billemery]

I like double walls with the windows placed in the interior wall and with the casing suppressed as the best overall method for a deep inset in a wood framed walls. The framing shows exactly as it should. This method requires the "window treatment" or similar method as the casing cant be recessed

The "window treatment" method that I have shown has some limitations, but as far as I know it is the only way to automate interior radius drywall wraps; which is why I initially developed it. We don't have the option on the interior or recessing the casing to the sheathing or framing level.

[Joe Carrick]

I like double walls with the windows placed in the interior wall and with the casing suppressed as the best overall method for a deep inset in a wood framed walls. The framing shows exactly as it should. This method requires the "window treatment" or similar method as the casing cant be recessed

The "window treatment" method that I have shown has some limitations, but as far as I know it is the only way to automate interior radius drywall wraps; which is why I initially developed it. We don't have the option on the interior or recessing the casing to the sheathing or framing level.

Bill,

You can offset the frame - which has the same effect as recess but in this case from the inside.