Source of Additional Elevation Lines

[HumbleChief]

I know this has been covered, and perhaps many times, but I keep running into this and keep ignoring it, so I can get some work done, but I would like to know the source of the additional lines that divide walls and floors 'sometimes' in an elevation view. Once it happens there seems to be no cure but I don't what happened to make it happen so I can avoid doing it again.

And once it happens how to 'fix' it.

Here's a pic.



Here's a plan

ELEVATION LINES.zip

[HumbleChief]

I just deleted and re-drew the walls. May never know where those lines come from.

[HumbleChief]

But then I re-opened the file and the line is back. This has always been a problem I could never solve and it's still got me by the short hairs.

Front is even worse.

[perryh]

I find you get a line when walls are not exactly the same. Yours look the same but are they? Are they aligned with the bottom wall. I sure you probably checked that.

[HumbleChief]

Yeah Perry, I've checked so many things I've lost count be they were always in line. Will probably never know the actual cause but rebuilding seemed to work. Will rebuild the front wall(s) as well as I can't seem to figure those extra lines out either.

[dshall]

Larry, I took a look at it and I could not unwind what you have done. Bottom line, most of my rooms use the default floor and ceiling elevations, yours don't. That might be part of the problem.

[HumbleChief]

Thanks for taking the time Scott. I did end up changing all the floors to their defaults among another hour's worth of messing and couldn't unwind it either. Am now redrawing the front walls to see if I can clean those up.

The main reason for the post was to try and understand the real cause of what I find a fairly constant occurrence. User error for sure and I can always fix by re-building but would love to understand the phenom.

I think your advice about default floors is probably the best though. I'll double check that when beginning another plan.

This plan also has that orphaned interior wall that we tried to get to extend to the ceiling and perhaps when messing with that I changed something that caused the havoc.

Again thanks so much for taking the time.

[HumbleChief]

OK I think this is bizarre.

I'm rebuilding the front wall and manged to get the lines cleaned up. There were some orphaned attic walls and other stuff I have no idea from whence they came but I finally got all the lines to go away.

Now I am placing the windows in the front wall and I have an arched window above a trio of windows, as in this picture.



The arched window is not quite in the correct spot so I move it to right a little and that horizontal line appears between floors. Really? Can't move the window without that line appearing. I'll keep trying.



BUT if I move the right window to the right the line disappears but the framing shows between the windows.



If I then enlarge the window to hide the framing the horizontal line re-appears.



If I change the window width from 18" to 17 7/8" the line disappears. If I change it back to 18" it re-appears. If I change it again to 17 7/8 and then back it disappears - from changing the window width - really?

I add the garage doors. I show the casing the line appears. I suppress the casing the line disappears.

Finally through all kinds of gyrations it looks OK to send to Layout.

[Bradley Boltz]

Call Tech support and bend Nigel's ear. Make those folks earn your money!!-BB

If it's any consolation, those lines happen to me quite frequently and I can never remember what I did to eliminate them. Probably some wall setting or wall alignment issue but sure is irritating. Typically, I just edit them out in layout.-

[Curtis Johnson]

Larry:

I did a little poking around in your plan. I can't say that I understand why Chief puts some of those lines in vector elevation views but they show up regardless. I did notice a few things in your plan:

1. That wall near the chimney that shows framing - you just need to drag the 2nd story wall out to match the depth of the one on the main floor.

2. The right window in your group of three is a tad lower than the other two.

3. The little bumpout wall to the right side of the garage doors is 25" wide on the 1st floor and 26" wide on the 2nd floor.

I "think" I found one other wall that was out of alignment with the "other" (?) floor but can't remember which one it was.

Regarding the arched window above the three - I think I would make it a little taller so there are short vertical sides to the window as opposed to coming to a point. When I took an interior camera view, those pointed casing ends stick out way past the group of three below.



Can I assume that you are going to center those windows on the roof ridge? If so, then another thought is to move the bathroom wall over (into the bathroom space) to give a little more clearance to the window and trim against that wall. Just an idea ... maybe you can't move that wall ... if so, then I still like the idea of giving the arched window a little more height so it has vertical sides as opposed to a point ... otherwise you'll need to monkey around with the arched window's size to get the points of the casing to match the outside edges of the lower windows ( ... that is what I'd try to do).

One thing that I did do that turned out weird ... I blocked the 3 windows and then I could see through to the framing. Not sure what is going on there.

Regarding the lines, I would just edit those out (in layout) when you have finished all else and your views to layout have all be sent and all your cleanup work is done. I do this as needed to make sure the elevations look clean.



Edit: I too was seeing that line to the right of the window group but I did get it to go away by hitting F12.

[HumbleChief]

Thanks for taking the time Curtis. Really appreciate it.

This is an 'as built' subdivision house and I really didn't want the design to be perfect but was more interested in the horizontal lines between floors that continually show up for various reasons. I was surprised to see them show up and then disappear while simply moving windows around - even the poorly shaped ones

I ended up rebuilding the exterior walls and replacing the windows, aligning all walls etc. and if I caught the process just right I would end up with no lines.

I don't think I've ever really done any editing in Layout, but I'll start now with your advice.

Thanks again.

[perryh]

I have also noticed that an attic wall will sometimes show a line, just because its marked attic wall. I then use balloon frame, and the line goes away, but not every time

[father]

I gave up trying to resolve/fight with Chief's idiosyncrasies years ago. I just delete the unwanted lines using "edit layout" once it is on my layout page.

[HumbleChief]

I gave up trying to resolve/fight with Chief's idiosyncrasies years ago. I just delete the unwanted lines using "edit layout" once it is on my layout page.

That's actually been my attitude as well. Sometimes I just post out of curiosity, thinking I'm missing something, but usually don't really care and just go on about my business 'fixing' issues by the most expedient manner available.

[father]

Larry,

To this day I'm astounded that Chief hasn't put images of People back in the Library for X4 and X5. Even more astounded that we still can't send colour/scaled elevations to layout pages, yet I can cast the shadow of every leaf of a tree on a house at any time of the day. So many bells and whistle's yet some very very basic things still not dealt with. Standard soffits like they are actually built is another one. I gave up trying to get things improved on years ago but continue to use it daily, just without stressing myself out about anymore.

I don't use it often but find this forum very useful. So many others have already gone through similar problems and came up with a solution. They are usually very quick to respond too.