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08-28-2013, 08:55 AM #16Registered User Promoted
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Have you ever used it? Would be curious to hear the added cost, it doesn't seem to be available here in Northern California. When I first heard about it a couple of years ago it was marketed as fire retardant as well, but since then I haven't heard much. Maybe it didn't live up to expectations or was to expensive. A lumber that is termite, fungus and fire resistant sure sounds like the holy grail.
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Ben, did you see the Press Release on their website Re: Resolution of Litigation.
Could be why you weren't seeing this product in California.
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08-28-2013, 09:40 AM #18Registered User Promoted
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Thanks, can't say I understood what it evolved to though. Seems like there was a dispute between a San Diego distributor and the company, but it didn't say if it was due to a problem with the product or some business related issues. I see that it is now owned by another company and they only have distribution in the South.
http://www.edgefieldlumber.com/
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Thanks, anyone have any experience?
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Saw it on Holmes on Homes. Does that count?
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08-28-2013, 11:38 AM #22Registered User Promoted
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Scotts right - nomenclature should be secondary to function - it'd be nice to have a DBX as well as expanded defaults DBX - exterior, interior, no story above, I'm sure there are more....
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08-28-2013, 02:34 PM #23
Not to mention many of my clients are asking for advanced framing techniques. So far I have realized the building model is better than originally though, yet I run into issues like this that make it more frustrating. We need Chief to look at not forcing us into positions of using methods only common in certain areas of the country/world. Around here we have to have trimmers in our header config.
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Framing members can be changed in the wall framing detail.
But if you rebuild wall framing it will revert back again.Alan Mathews
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08-29-2013, 08:34 AM #26Registered User Promoted
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The framing requirements here on Vancouver Island vary because of seismic data. Some regions want a header (lintel) over all opens whether they are single 2x4s trimmer and a double 2x4 w/ 1/2" spacer over 2-6 door opening. There isn't a wall in some areas that are considered non-structural because they may all have to be a brace wall panel, or shear wall. I have stopped using the header category in the window and door schedules and draw in a data block for headers with reference numbers for each component. Time consuming and a pain in the butt, but I don't have a choice. I would love it if CA gave us a dbx so we could indicate each header in the window and door headers in the schedule.
Blu wood is one of several unique products we use here in Canada. One of the most common called for items is Pinkwood ( www.pinkwood.ca ). It's a fire retardant coated engineered wood by a company out of Calgary Alberta. Insurance companies up here give people a break on the cost of fire insurance if they use this product, as well as other products like steel roofs and cementouous siding (Hardi Plank). We also use a lot of double exterior walls in the far north and pack the walls and the attics with up to R-60 each. Rigid insulation in the floors and semi rigid hung on the exterior walls is also common. People love Roxul insulation and out sells pink 2 to 1 in some regions. ICF is till not that common because of termites.
I think sharing of regional product information here is a good idea. Products offered in one region may not have made it to others yet and it's a good way of introducing products to those of us around the globe who may have a need for them. It is also a good way to see how others use products that may help someone overcome a design issue. The software is common, but the products and practices are not.Rich Martin
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08-29-2013, 10:15 AM #27
Chief Architect developers have made comments to refute the idea of spending too much time in 2D tools, since they think time should be spent on refining the building model process so most everything is contained in the model. Though I don't think I fully agree, considering the present state of the app, there are many who do agree with their modus operandi concerning development focus.
Considering that, I think this would be a mandatory necessity for that stated goal. We HAVE TO have complete control of our framing model if we are to get useful data from it - and even accurate drawings. Its impractical to think someone could go around every model changing stick-by-stick of the framing to match their needs. Chief needs to re-work the system ASAP so we have full control and virtually every configuration possible out of the box - and then for specialty areas the ability to change the framing a piece at a time.
I hope CA is paying attention, since right now the framing modeling has very little practical use to many users.
This video is how it should be done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKxaLdD0_6Y
Check out how you can select each wall or opening to change that specific opening. I am salivating at that video.X5
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08-29-2013, 10:20 AM #28
I approach Chief's automated framing as the tool that creates everything repetitive. Anything specialized needs to be modeled. I usually plan on modeling each beam, stair opening, etc... as I usually have conditions where some beams are dropped, some are flush, some cantilever.
I 100% agree that the framing of pocket doors should fit in the "everything repetitive" category.Kevin Moquin, AIA, LEED AP BD+C
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08-29-2013, 10:37 AM #29Registered User Promoted
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Perry, is that a global setting? Retaining all wall framing? Or is it avalable wall segment by wall segment?
I know I often end up locking roofs and foundations. Since I mostly do additions the auto tools stop working for me somewhere along the way - I get a roof or foundation condition that CA can't define. Would the same happen with framing? I try to develop a very accurate as built, then go as far as I can in my design process before I lock things.Matt Kennedy
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08-29-2013, 10:49 AM #30
wall by wall in the wall DBX, only lock the walls that have special condidions
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