What is Residential BIM

[Ed_Downunder]

Do you know what residential BIM is?

What does Residential BIM mean to you?

Can Residential BIM add value to your business?

Does not being interested in Residential BIM make economic sense?

What is the difference between BIM and Residential BIM?

[lbuttery]

What is the difference between BIM and Residential BIM?

Edward:

I am curious about this difference ?

Please explain some ...

I have been advocating for BIM since I started with Chief 9.5 in 2005
so I am familiar with some principles but haven't gotten too deep into it
since CA doesn't seem inclined to go down that road

I have attended various BIM webinars and googled stuff
I see the potential and wish CA would see it also

Lew

[Ed_Downunder]

Hi Lew,

That is a great question and I am pleased it got your attention.

As you know BIM is Building Information Modeling.

Residential BIM is Residential Building Information Modeling.

That is what this thread is about. What do we know about Residential BIM and is it relevant To Chief Architect.

[lbuttery]

Residential BIM is Residential Building Information Modeling

Edward:

I still have no idea why you see a difference between BIM and Residential BIM ???

BIM is BIM ....

What am I missing ???

Lew

[Ed_Downunder]

Try this link http://www.constructech.com/news/art...rticle_id=8806

BIM is BIM

BIM for a large firm engaged in large jobs is an information model for that scale of enterprise.

A conversation about implementing a BIM at that scale for Chief users is silly.

A conversation about implementing BIM at a residential builder level is a conversation worth having.

To have that conversation people would have to be interested in the subject. So is this subject relevant or not.

[lbuttery]

Ed:

yep, it is all a matter of scale

BIM is BIM

the same principles apply just scaled differently

Residential BIM could still use 4D and 5D software - but probably not 6D

Residential BIM could still use collision detection and structural analysis and energy analysis

Residential BIM could still use Affinity

Chief can do 30 floors which starts to move it past Residential BIM

so while various apps could be beyond Residential BIM, the same principles apply
(as far as I can see...)

BIM is BIM

please give an example of a BIM principle that applies to commercial that doesn't apply to residential

this is not a challenge but a request for understanding


Lew

[Ed_Downunder]

That's the point Scale.

Scale is relevant.

Why would a residential builder be interested in a whole life cycle approach to construction.

Quote "Building information modeling (BIM) is a process involving the generation and management of digital representations of physical and functional characteristics of a facility. The resulting building information models become shared knowledge resources to support decision-making about a facility from earliest conceptual stages, through design and construction, through its operational life and eventual demolition."

What is missing in that description is the understanding that 2d cad is yesterday 3d BIM is what we are using and trying to be 4d BIM. So Residential BIM is a BIM model for residential builders.

Chief Architect is 3d BIM

4d BIM is 3D + Time. That would be Chief Architect with a project schedule

5d BIM is 3D BIM + time + cost That would be Chief Architect playing very nicely with it's users.

6d BIM is a bridge too far.......The 6D model is usually delivered to the owner, when a construction project is ready to be closed-out. The “As-Built” BIM model is populated with all relevant building component information such as product data and details, maintenance/operation manuals, cut sheet specifications, photos, warranty data, web links to product online sources, manufacturer information and contacts, etc. This information-centric database is made globally accessible to the users/owners through a customized proprietary secure web-based environment. The accuracy of 6D BIM aids facilities managers in the operation and maintenance of the facility throughout its life cycle

I would be very happy when Chief upgrades to a working 5d. Or is it Residential BIM.

[lbuttery]

Why would a residential builder be interested in a whole life cycle approach to construction

Edward:

they probably wouldn't - this is what 6D software does

so yes, that would fit outside the scale of residential BIM

so is that the definition of Residential BIM - 3D + 4D + 5D ???

If so, then I can understand that and agree

BTW: you do realize that this conversation is academic since CA has insisted that Chief is BIM
and there is probably little need to go further ....

CA has talked about implementing IFC and maybe a few other BIM principles
but so far no recognition that 4D or 5D are needed or desired by Chiefers

I don't think it is reasonable to expect CA to implement 4D or 5D within Chief

but it would be reasonable to expect Chief to be able to create expoort files that
can be used by 4D and 5D software

Lew

[Ed_Downunder]

Does Chief intend putting x6 out there for Mac?
Will that spawn a new generation of dissatisfied users. When they discover the limitations http://www.chiefarchitect.com/company/aboutchief.html

Chief has no options. It might not be making the right decisions about the materials list right now but one thing's for sure. If Chief tried to sell 2d Cad it would get consigned to history with the other small cad developers of yesteryear.

Residential BIM is not my acronym. It's out there and the opposition are having their share. The language sounds grandiose but the reality is, its not new technology it's commercial will to implement it.

What do you think the review sites will make of X6 when it is released.
.

[lbuttery]

Edward:

most of the BIM sites aren't even aware of Chief

it just doesn't register - even as a blip to them

Yes, the Mac users will be just as disappointed as the windows users have been

for most Professional builders and developers Chief is seen as a toy, a wanna-be
if they even know it exists

while we know what Chief is capable - could be capable of
they don't - and may never know

Lew

[gteacher]

What do you think the review sites will make of X6 when it is released.
.

With reference to BIM and ML, I expect it will be pretty much the same. SoftList and CadSoft will be on the list and Chief won't be mentioned.

OTOH, have you considered that its too complex for the reviewers to understand?

[Doug Park]

As long as we don't vigorously pursue BIM it is likely that we will not be on the BIM radar.

But our focus is on doing residential and light commercial design better and quicker than anyone else.

Most of the time when people have the conversation about BIM the biggest reason it isn't adopted is that it is too much work to do the setup.

The real power of BIM is doing things with a Building Information Model that are nearly indistinguishable from magic. For example generating a roof from walls.

[lbuttery]

The real power of BIM is doing things with a Building Information Model that are nearly indistinguishable from magic. For example generating a roof from walls.

Doug:

while that is indeed magic

the real trick is being able to share that magic with other software via BIM inter-operablility

that is when jaws will drop

Lew

[java tom]

Bim on a residential level is not likely to appeal to anyone except a few computer geeks. The simple truth is that it takes longer to create and someone has to pay for the extra time. The conversation should be about anyone that is willing to pay more for this service. I can already hear the responses coming so I will head them off at the pass. It DOES take longer to make one. That is not an opinion it is a statement of fact.

[lbuttery]

Bim on a residential level is not likely to appeal to anyone except a few computer geeks

Hmmm, BIM has about as much appeal to computer geeks as Chief does

BIM is for getting the job done by interacting with various software that is dedicated to each task

Chief does what it does best, software A does energy calcs, software B does structure analysis
software C does ???

it is all about inter-operability communication and sharing

all Chief needs is to adopt the IFC and a few other "standards" and then we can pass the Chief model to other
Bim software so they can do their "thing"

I have no idea what the programmer cost would be to CA
if it adds more than $100 to the price of Chief then CA could sell it as an add-on

the development time can't be much more than the MAC version...

Lew