Materials List Revisited

[Glenn Woodward]

You can got your material preferences and turn of insulation

That doesn't help if we have insulation elsewhere that we need included.

[Justice]

All this time wasting of Chief users in having simple area & volume calculations messed up is confusing and counter productive.

This should all be simple and logical in the way that they calculate.

Trouble Shooting these types of problems to find a work around is not published in training manuals or videos.

If you want to put the work in to try to make ML do the full job then OK.

I cant fully trust ML feature yet, so I will do it by hand and check ML list for reference only for now.

BTW I am happy with the way Chief builds timber framing with no add ons and the ML development in this area is going very well.

All the best to you work around trouble shooters for giving of your time to help others.

[Ed_Downunder]

Appreciate your reply Doug,

Happy with the calcs. This post was not about calculations. My fault for taking it off topic. I thought I discovered an error (silly me) What is under discussion is the way Chief reports. Chief still report all floors to the foundations. This is the type of reporting that I am discussing. Not all edge beams and slabs are poured as one are poured. Would like these items separated.

[Ed_Downunder]

. i Gerry This is the definition of Gap?

[Mark]

That doesn't help if we have insulation elsewhere that we need included.

I does if you don't use chief auto calcs and do it all with your own defined materials, this way you have much better control

[gteacher]

. i Gerry This is the definition of Gap?

Thanks Ed, That explains the sometimes double reporting - sometimes not.

Also I have to point out that Chief Does sometimes screw up the cals as per my posted plan.

At any rate, If Chief isn't aware of the problems now, they never will be. No excuses now.

[Ed_Downunder]

Hi Glen,

Really appreciate you taking the trouble to look at this issue.

I have just looked at a recent plan back from the engineer. This plan has a 300mm x 350mm footing.

The brick ledge is 2 courses of standard brick. that is 172. We are using vericore 305 x 90 x 162.

It seems when the engineer wants 300mm footing he wants the thickened edge to sit on top of the footing.

I get that chief wants to have the slab sit on top of the footing but is it right?

[dshall]

I have commented on this before..... If CA defined a mono slab and footing being made up of three parts, this would solve my issues, Joe Carricks issues and Ed's issue. Those three parts are a concrete slab. (Usually 4" thick), sitting on a stem wall (6"-8" wide and approx. 14" tall) sitting on a footing (12"-15" wide and 6"-10" thick). Understand this is a mono pour. If the mono slab and footing were defined by these three components, it would enable us to build the footing using the minimum required sizes. I have a feeling I am singing into the wind.

[Ed_Downunder]

Keep singing Scott.

You might be off key and out of tune but the lyrics hit the emotional spot!

[Glenn Woodward]

Hi Glen,

Really appreciate you taking the trouble to look at this issue.

I have just looked at a recent plan back from the engineer. This plan has a 300mm x 350mm footing.

The brick ledge is 2 courses of standard brick. that is 172. We are using vericore 305 x 90 x 162.

It seems when the engineer wants 300mm footing he wants the thickened edge to sit on top of the footing.

I get that chief wants to have the slab sit on top of the footing but is it right?

Ed,
What you indicate is not a momolithic slab.
A monolithic slab, by definition, is done in one pour.
That is why Chief reports only 1 quantity for a mono slab..

To get what you want (OK,OK - close to what you want), you need to use walls with footings.
This way, you can get your separate footing, stem wall and slab.
The 72mm high stem wall would be made up of a concrete inner skin and brick outer skin.
The brick skin for the wall above will only come down to the bottom of slab.

This is far from perfect and you can't get the chamfer.
This is an area of Chief that definitely needs some work.

[Ed_Downunder]

Light bulb moment. Thanks Glen. It seems that to get an accurate ML for this I have to calculate the footing as shown in the video. (I'm going to call this one a work around)

Solved - lets move on.

This may be more challenging. A new wall system we are investigating.

[Doug Park]

Gerry, thanks for that example. It looks as if the model is incorrect and is doubling the concrete in the area that the slab intersects the wall. If you do a glass house view of it you can kind of see where the problem lies. Unchecking monolithic slab in the room specification seems to correct the calculation in the version of X6 that I'm running. I'm on a Mac right now so can't check X5.

I will need to check with our foundation guy but I don't think we should allow the use of Monolithic slab when using a wall with the slab footing property checked. My recollection is that a monolithic slab just puts a slab under all the rooms without looking at the walls. It may be possible that there are legitimate uses of it in conjunction with slab footing walls, but I can't think of any at the moment.

[gteacher]

Thanks Doug --- That clears up a lot of confusion -- at least on my part. I had no application , just exercising Chief.

I knew yous guys would come through. Sometimes we just need to get your attention. --- Thinking ML update?

[ALAN MATHEWS]

I can't seem to get rid of insulation over a garage roof.
There is no room above this and there is no insulation showing in the garage walls.

When I remove ceiling from this area then insulation is not calculated in the material list.
Is there a way to fix this?

Windows 7
X5

That doesn't help if we have insulation elsewhere that we need included.

[Ed_Downunder]

Ed,
What you indicate is not a monolithic slab.
A monolithic slab, by definition, is done in one pour.
That is why Chief reports only 1 quantity for a mono slab..

To get what you want (OK,OK - close to what you want), you need to use walls with footings.
This way, you can get your separate footing, stem wall and slab.
The 72mm high stem wall would be made up of a concrete inner skin and brick outer skin.
The brick skin for the wall above will only come down to the bottom of slab.

This is far from perfect and you can't get the chamfer.
This is an area of Chief that definitely needs some work.

It's a two headed beast. I would like the footing to draw correctly and I would like the materials list to report correctly.



I have managed to draw it correctly





The materials list is another thing!! The slab is reported as TRIM concrete cubic meters is OK. I have no Idea what 25mm solid concrete is. I looked for it. Must be something I added by mistake in elevation view so ignore that.

To put an edge beam on a single level house is easy with the make room polyline copy, concentric jump convert to slab. make hole in slab and set elevation at -200.

My current project has 3 levels slab on ground. That is a bit more complicated for this method

On a new plan I have a 5 x 5 slab and a 5 x 5 slab with footing. It's extraordinary! The slab tool reports as Exterior trim and the slab with footing tool report as foundation slab and foundation footing with separate calculations

The foundation slab reports 2.5 cubic meters and the footing 2.46 cubic meters.