Materials List Revisited

[gteacher]

Glen: my numbers for cals:

Slab = 5 x 5 x .1 = 2.5 m
Footer = 18.6 x .45 x .35 = 2.9295
Chamfer = 18.4 x (.1 x .1)/2 = .092
Ledge = 19.44 x .172 x .14 = .468
Total = 5.053 exact

I believe the wall insulation is coming from the gap material, noted as insulation gap. If you change this material wall insulation changes accordingly.

However, attached is a similar plan using slab walls which is definitely wrong. Also, can’t figure out why chief added wall, ceiling and floor insulation on a all concrete structure and where its coming from?

[Mark]

I have found the best way to calc wall and ceiling insulation is to to completely hide chiefs numbers and make a new material for wall insulation and put it on zero thickness layer in wall layers and the same for ceilings put into ceiling structure layer again zero thickness this gives you full control over batt sizes and can be changed on a room or wall type basis

I must say all this talk about material list changes has me hoping for changes in x6 it filling me with false hope already I am disappointed

[Glenn Woodward]

I believe the wall insulation is coming from the gap material, noted as insulation gap. If you change this material wall insulation changes accordingly.

Gerry,

Thanks for the confirmation on the slab quantity.

I still maintain that the insulation is coming from the walls main layer.
I can draw the cavity brick wall with a water material for the cavity and the ML gives me bricks for both wall skins, the water in the cavity AND the wall insulation.
Even your attached plan is giving wall insulation because there is only 1 wall layer, which is the main layer and hence automatically generating the insulation.
Can you post a plan that doesn't show any insulation for the wall?

[gteacher]

Gerry,

Can you post a plan that doesn't show any insulation for the wall?

Nope -- I was kind of hoping you could show how? Can't get rid of it or ceiling ins.

Curious thing. If I change the gap to Insulating Foam Block, then I get a double count of both wall batts and blocks. Doesn't seem right?
If the gap is just wall insulation, then I only get one count.

[Mark]

Nope -- I was kind of hoping you could show how? Can't get rid of it or ceiling ins.

Curious thing. If I change the gap to Insulating Foam Block, then I get a double count of both wall batts and blocks. Doesn't seem right?
If the gap is just wall insulation, then I only get one count.

You can go to your material list preferences and turn of insulation

[Glenn Woodward]

You can got your material preferences and turn of insulation

That doesn't help if we have insulation elsewhere that we need included.

[Mark]

That doesn't help if we have insulation elsewhere that we need included.

I does if you don't use chief auto calcs and do it all with your own defined materials, this way you have much better control

[ALAN MATHEWS]

I can't seem to get rid of insulation over a garage roof.
There is no room above this and there is no insulation showing in the garage walls.

When I remove ceiling from this area then insulation is not calculated in the material list.
Is there a way to fix this?

Windows 7
X5

That doesn't help if we have insulation elsewhere that we need included.

[Ed_Downunder]

I can't seem to get rid of insulation over a garage roof.
There is no room above this and there is no insulation showing in the garage walls.

When I remove ceiling from this area then insulation is not calculated in the material list.
Is there a way to fix this?

Windows 7
X5

Hi Alan,

This is one of the problems many are having. The solution continues to be a work around.

I would describe the solution provided by tech support as a workaround not a procedure.

Even your question "Is there a way to fix this?" demonstrates that something is broken.

Mark has another work around. Probably others have attempted to find a solution in different ways.

In your case just having control of what reports and what doesn't report is the solution.

We need voices like yours to continually point out that these issues need to be looked at and fixed.

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Chief said earlier post # 10

"We have a large number of ideas and requests on file to enhance the material list. I think keeping the dialog going is a good idea, the material list has the potential of being a really great tool, if you can get through the complexity. We also need to decide what to work on for each release. Things that are popular and affect a lot of users will get done quicker than those that are used by only a few.

The good news is that we have more people working on making chief better than ever before. With luck over the next few years some of these areas that have been neglected will start showing significant improvement. However, if we don't see a dialog on a particular area it's likely not going to get done. So keep posting your comments. We may not always respond but there are many of us that regularly read your posts."

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With the focus on Mac will Chief release Chief X6 to a generation of new Mac user with a flawed materials list?

[Ed_Downunder]

. i Gerry This is the definition of Gap?

[gteacher]

. i Gerry This is the definition of Gap?

Thanks Ed, That explains the sometimes double reporting - sometimes not.

Also I have to point out that Chief Does sometimes screw up the cals as per my posted plan.

At any rate, If Chief isn't aware of the problems now, they never will be. No excuses now.

[Doug Park]

Gerry, thanks for that example. It looks as if the model is incorrect and is doubling the concrete in the area that the slab intersects the wall. If you do a glass house view of it you can kind of see where the problem lies. Unchecking monolithic slab in the room specification seems to correct the calculation in the version of X6 that I'm running. I'm on a Mac right now so can't check X5.

I will need to check with our foundation guy but I don't think we should allow the use of Monolithic slab when using a wall with the slab footing property checked. My recollection is that a monolithic slab just puts a slab under all the rooms without looking at the walls. It may be possible that there are legitimate uses of it in conjunction with slab footing walls, but I can't think of any at the moment.