Can you identify this ?

[Joe Carrick]

The attached pic shows something that is pretty easy to create using Chief's standard tools.

What is it?

How was it created?

This is a 1 hr quiz. After that I will explain and provide a few suggestions for how Chief's tools can be improved to make it even easier.

[perryh]

Storefront symbol ???
Created by Joe on chief

[Joe Carrick]

Storefront symbol ???
Created by Joe on chief

No, but good guess - almost. There are 2 symbols used but that's just the door hardware.

[moak]

Storefront made with railing tools.

[Joe Carrick]

Kevin's on the right track. But what are the details?

[HumbleChief]

Windows and doors placed in a "transparent" wall?

[moak]

Seems the 1HR is up. It's 1:37 ET and I'm checking back for the details....

[Joe Carrick]

OK Guys - here's the answer. The Pic below shows a couple of the Millwork Symbols that I created and stored in my library.

1. A Vertical 2x4x12" Aluminum Mullion
2. A 60" wide x96" tall Panel with top, bottom & 18" high Rails. The Panel has a Stretch Plane at z=36"

I drew a wall 9' tall and edited it in the Wall dbx to be a Railing.

Panel, Post to Beam. I set the Newel and Railing Heights to be 80" and used the Millwork Mullion for the Newels and the Millwork Panel as the Panel. Then I inserted a door (Glass with Hardware from the Library) and added a mullion as the header over the opening. I changed the Railing Beam to Beige Stucco and set its size to 8"x29".

I made the Newel Spacing 39" so that the panels would be about 36" wide (depends on the wall length)

[Dave Pitman]

OK Guys - here's the answer. The Pic below shows a couple of the Millwork Symbols that I created and stored in my library.

2. A 60" wide x96" tall Panel

Joe, thought I'd spend a little time on this concept, but when I create a panel symbol and specify "Millwork", or anything else for that matter, it is not available as s material in via the Railing Specification > Materials dialog.

Which step did I botch? Thx.

[Ron Ravenscroft]

OK Guys - here's the answer. The Pic below shows a couple of the Millwork Symbols that I created and stored in my library.

1. A Vertical 2x4x12" Aluminum Mullion
2. A 60" wide x96" tall Panel with top, bottom & 18" high Rails. The Panel has a Stretch Plane at z=36"

I drew a wall 9' tall and edited it in the Wall dbx to be a Railing.

Panel, Post to Beam. I set the Newel and Railing Heights to be 80" and used the Millwork Mullion for the Newels and the Millwork Panel as the Panel. Then I inserted a door (Glass with Hardware from the Library) and added a mullion as the header over the opening. I changed the Railing Beam to Beige Stucco and set its size to 8"x29".

I made the Newel Spacing 39" so that the panels would be about 36" wide (depends on the wall length)

Joe,

how about sharing a plan with all of us.

Ron

[rickhead]

Joe,

how about sharing a plan with all of us.

Ron

Yes, please. I'm having a tough time duplicating.

[Joe Carrick]

I tried using a 3 Rail Railing with the middle rail being a 3D Molding Symbol similar to the Millwork Symbol hoping that the door would not cut out the top rail if the door was shorter but that didn't work. That's something that I'd like to see changed

I also tried using a Pony Wall and just making the bottom portion a railing but Chief converts the entire wall to a railing so I had to use the Post to Beam instead of just a Post to Rail. This is another thing that would make it easier.

[Joe Carrick]

I posted this because:

1. It shows how it would be very easy for CA to add a Storefront Window Wall Tool.
2. This method makes the Storefront as a Wall which can have Doors inserted.
3. Having it as a Wall that doesn't have to be No Room Def means that you can simply break an existing Wall at the appropriate location and not have to mess with a Pass Thru Opening.
4. Other Walls can butt into this wall at any location without the Window Wall changing size.

[William H Lynch]

The free standing wall you show looks fine, but when I try "breaking" it into an existing wall, there are no (newels, posts) at the break points.

Bill

[Joe Carrick]

True, that's another detail that CA should fix for a Window Wall Tool. OTOH, you can add them manually. See pic below.