Chief Vs Autocad

[Doug Park]

Our customer base is dominated by design/build professionals.

However, architects do influence our design decisions significantly. I like to push for features that are more requested by architects because they really do know what they are doing when it comes to design and are asking for things that some of our design/build professionals don't know they need. For example the space planning tools (House Wizard) is something that most architects recognize immediately as a valuable design aid.

As we move forward I believe that the influence from architects will greatly improve the quality of the program.

[perryh]

Our customer base is dominated by design/build professionals.

However, architects do influence our design decisions significantly. I like to push for features that are more requested by architects because they really do know what they are doing when it comes to design and are asking for things that some of our design/build professionals don't know they need. For example the space planning tools (House Wizard) is something that most architects recognize immediately as a valuable design aid.

As we move forward I believe that the influence from architects will greatly improve the quality of the program.

Doug, really, you've just alienated most of your base. You don't think us designers have anything to offer. Just because anyone is an Architect doesn't mean anything. That was not a good comment coming from Chief. There are a lot of people here you have just insulted.

[RMorrison]

Just because anyone is an Architect doesn't mean anything.

Well, it means that we cared enough about our profession to keep our butts in very expensive chairs for a number of years, work under the guidance of a licensed professional for several years, and demonstrate our competence to a state board.

[perryh]

Lew, Architecture school did not teach real life when I went. I had 6 year Architecture students working for me and I had to teach them very basic stuff. Life experience is king, there's nothing better, of course this argument goes on forever.

[lbuttery]

Perry:

I agree, everybody can learn from everybody

no can know "everything"

I would be just as interested in studying your CD's as I would an architects

would I put more "trust" in architects - ???

who knows - I've been know to go against the grain

Lew

[RMorrison]

Lew, Architecture school did not teach real life when I went. I had 6 year Architecture students working for me and I had to teach them very basic stuff. Life experience is king, there's nothing better, of course this argument goes on forever.

This only goes on because of people who think that knowing how to build equates to knowing how to design, or vice versa. Both abilities are essential.

[sutcac]

Life experience is king, there's nothing better....

...... all i'm saying is my input is just as valid as yours.

Apparently you don't see the irony here. "Real world" experience can also blind you to new and innovative design solutions. One of the main points of going to school is to immerse yourself in pure design for a while, learn the history of your profession, etc. before your creativity gets bogged down and you start thinking it's all been done and there is never anything new.

[William H Lynch]

Apparently you don't see the irony here. "Real world" experience can also blind you to new and innovative design solutions. One of the main points of going to school is to immerse yourself in pure design for a while, learn the history of your profession, etc. before your creativity gets bogged down and you start thinking it's all been done and there is never anything new.

I started in the school of design at NCSU, And yes, It was exactly as you said, I was immersed in pure design for two years , but I found it lacking, I felt like something was missing, the science behind the creativity was void....

I transferred to engineering to learn the science behind the design, and yet there was still something missing, and that was real life experience.

I found that 'practical' creativity is best 'learned' from real life experiences gathered from the wealth of knowledge surrounding you. The people who use or build your designs are a valuable resource. There is a economic limit (in most cases) on what is creative vs. what is practical. It is a dilemma I was not taught in school.

My first job was with a large Power Utility as an engineer. I spent a month with a line crew, high school educated guys out there in the field implementing the 'designs' and 'procedures' we engineers provided. These guys were a resource that I learned quickly to respect and value.

Long story short, creativity alone is somewhat subjective (everyone has something to contribute, we just need to listen) the vast resources out there are immense, regardless of education level, regardless of background, put your education on hold and listen to the voices of 'real life experience'... we can all benefit! So I have to go with Perry's comment "Life experience is king!"

Bill

PS: My brother is battling Parkinson's disease and severe dementia associated with it. But sometimes he makes remarkable statements about life and how to live it that leave me totally dumbfounded and in awe...

[perryh]

Apparently you don't see the irony here. "Real world" experience can also blind you to new and innovative design solutions. One of the main points of going to school is to immerse yourself in pure design for a while, learn the history of your profession, etc. before your creativity gets bogged down and you start thinking it's all been done and there is never anything new.

No it doesn't, that's just silly. hopefully everyone is always learning new design techniques, I still am. Where do you think these things up.

[Ron Ravenscroft]

Lew, Architecture school did not teach real life when I went. I had 6 year Architecture students working for me and I had to teach them very basic stuff. Life experience is king, there's nothing better, of course this argument goes on forever.

I wish we all could be as smart as you sir.

[Ron Ravenscroft]

Lew, Architecture school did not teach real life when I went. I had 6 year Architecture students working for me and I had to teach them very basic stuff. Life experience is king, there's nothing better, of course this argument goes on forever.

Perry,

I think that is true for any college program. Most graduates are of limited use in the real world until they gain experience.

[lbuttery]

Perry:

Hmmm, I don't feel insulted ???

I think Doug's comments are on point

You know I have been one to defend the right of non-architects to do designs

but I also appreciate that I have learned from watching the architects
and will continue to learn from them

I am certain that there are things they know that I am not even aware of

I firmly believe that CA should have a team of architects (SME's) that they can
consult with preping the next release to ensure that the features are desirable

same for engineers and landscapers and K&B and deck designers etc

CA should pick a famous architect school and code Chief to do "everything" that school does

adding two or three schools would even be better
I'm sure west coast schools have a different focus than east coast schools

Lew

[sutcac]

Just because anyone is an Architect doesn't mean anything.

Classic. You think Doug is insulting you (which he isn't) and so you insult US. Yeesh.

[perryh]

Classic. You think Doug is insulting you (which he isn't) and so you insult US. Yeesh.

Not at all. all i'm saying is my input is just as valid as yours.

[RMorrison]

Our customer base is dominated by design/build professionals.

However, architects do influence our design decisions significantly. I like to push for features that are more requested by architects because they really do know what they are doing when it comes to design and are asking for things that some of our design/build professionals don't know they need. For example the space planning tools (House Wizard) is something that most architects recognize immediately as a valuable design aid.

As we move forward I believe that the influence from architects will greatly improve the quality of the program.

Oh, Doug, you know just what to say! ;-)