'Live' Section Question

[vincent kunasek]

No. Not annotation sets- that's a whole different thing. He is referring to the placing of your text, etc., on your "live" section drawings and not on the layout sheet.

Oh , okay that's the way we do it.

[Bradley Boltz]

Plan views sent to a layout box are dynamic or "live" views and the data shown should always be up-to-date with the data in the plan that was sent. This assumes that you are not sending the view as an image which would not be dynamic.

Cross sections and elevation views are semi-dynamic where the 3D part of the data is static (like a snapshot of what you had when you sent the view) and any added CAD, dimensions, or text is always dynamic. If you make any changes to the 3D model, you will need to update your layout boxes to show those changes.

The easiest way to update the layout boxes is to open the layout, open the cross section/elevation view associated with the box, and then close the view. Chief will then prompt you and ask you whether or not you want to update the layout view. Just click on the "OK" button. Keep in mind that if you have used the Edit Layout tool to modify any of the data in the layout box that those changes will be lost when you update.

Larry,
there's really nothing to be confused by here. Re-read what Dermot wrote and you will understand it.

The model or 3d parts of your section and elevation views become "static snap shots in time" and are what appear on your layout sheet. All the 2d cad and dimensions and text (or annotations) that you "overlay" on your live section or elevation views are dynamically shown in their relative layout views and are always "live", just like the plan views are dynamic and always "live" in layout.

But, to update your 3d model to the layout you have to either resend the view to layout or "accept changes to layout" when you close a section or elevation view that is linked to that open layout plan.

Where you need to be carefull or cognoscent is regarding what layersets and annotation sets you have on when you send your vector views (sections and elevations) or plan views to layout. If you find that you've sent a plan to layout with the wrong layer set , you will need to delete that layout view and resend the plan with the desired layer set.
The easiest way to check what layerset was active when the view was sent to layout is to "double click" the layout view and check what layerset is "active" when that live view is active or open on your screen. Hope this makes it as clear as mud.-Brad

[Dermot Dempsey]

Just wanted to give you some more info that might be helpful.

You should not have to delete a layout box and resend it just to change the layers or layer set associated with it.

If you select a layout box and look at the Edit toolbar, you should see a button called Layout Box Layers (it looks just like the Display Options button). If you click on it, you can open the Layer Display Options dialog and change the layer set used for the layout box. You can also change any of the layer settings that you want.

The one catch is that if you change any of the layers that would affect the 3D model, and your view is a cross section view, you will not see the changes unless you open the view and close it to update it.

Of course, you can always delete the layout box and just resend the view too but I just wanted to make sure that you knew that you don't always have to.

Also, for those that may not have realized it, there are a couple of other useful tools on the Edit toolbar for layout boxes. You can change the scale used for the view and even relink the layout box to a different plan file. Both of these can save some time so that you don't have to delete the box and resend a view.

[Bradley Boltz]

Just wanted to give you some more info that might be helpful.

You should not have to delete a layout box and resend it just to change the layers or layer set associated with it.

If you select a layout box and look at the Edit toolbar, you should see a button called Layout Box Layers (it looks just like the Display Options button). If you click on it, you can open the Layer Display Options dialog and change the layer set used for the layout box. You can also change any of the layer settings that you want. -Thanks Dermott, I've been trying to do that for several versions but using the layer tool at the top and getting no layer options. Did not notice the "check" icon at the bottom in the edit tool bar and now see the various layerset options. That's great and will save on not having to resend to layout to get the desired layerset to display.

The one catch is that if you change any of the layers that would affect the 3D model, and your view is a cross section view, you will not see the changes unless you open the view and close it to update it.

Of course, you can always delete the layout box and just resend the view too but I just wanted to make sure that you knew that you don't always have to.

Also, for those that may not have realized it, there are a couple of other useful tools on the Edit toolbar for layout boxes. You can change the scale used for the view and even relink the layout box to a different plan file. Both of these can save some time so that you don't have to delete the box and resend a view. I've been using these two for years and the relink tool has been great when revising the plans under a different "saved as" name. Can't remember what version but these were two excellent on-the-fly user friendly features.-

Thanks for the extra commentary, It's nice when the person(s) trying to offer help, gains some extra knowledge in the process. Have a Great New Year.-Brad