"floor under this room" deselected automatically with open below rooms...

[Tundara Homes]

When I take a room that I have designed for a stairwell and select the open below it deselects the "floor under this room" button. I don't remember it doing this before. I also don't know where to set the defaults for this room type. Any ideas?

[sherpa_jones]

I'm not sure if you see this as a problem, but this is typical behavior and should be desired. In order to have a room open below, there logically needs to be no floor platform. As far as setting defaults for room types, Chief has yet to allow us this luxury. Or the luxury of making new room types.

[David J. Potter]

An "Open Below" room has no floor, so your observation is "true" in that in past versions, this action was "assumed to occur" as opposed to stated in the dialog as it is now but was true then for this type of situation as it is now.
It is a refinement of the Room Dialog only and not really a "change".

DJP

[Tundara Homes]

You are correct, we don't want a floor below. But . . go in and select the floor and the floor doesn't show up. It's still open below. I went back and tried the same sample in X3 and oddly (or not so oddly) everything reacted the same. The floor below was deselected (never paid attention to this before) as it is in X4. My problem is that now windows base their heights from the floor, but since there is no floor they drop to stem wall height. They didn't do this in x3. They based off of the floor height designated. I show this all in the video.

There is something different happening in X4 and it's just something I guess I will have to get used to, unless it's a bug and I will report it. I just don't know if it's a bug, or just a quirk.

When selecting open to below, from now on, I will select floor below as it doesn't change anything in the structure and then my windows will stay where they should be.


www.i4homedesign.ca/Charlie/floor below.wmv

[dshall]

Charlie, your video was very interesting and enlightning. I remember Wendy was complaining about the windows dropping down when OPEN TO BELOW was selected. I had not experienced this behavior when I read her complaint. I have since started noticing this unwanted behavior and I think you have stumbled on the reason. I do not know how to respond to your query, but I think I will look into this and try to understand the behavior. Bottom line is if I select OPEN TO BELOW, I do not want the windows to drop down.

[dshall]

I just checked it out, thank Charlie! As you said the key is to check FLOOR UNDER THIS ROOM to keep the header hts at the same elevation.

[Tundara Homes]

yes .. .but why. you didn't have to do this in X3.

[Joe Carrick]

It would appear that this "little fix" in X4 has caused an unexpected and unwanted result. Evidently if you go into the room dbx and change it to "Floor Below" then the windows will be relative to the floor level.

IMO, Chief should change the default condition so that it's compatible with the behavior of prior versions (or make it an option in the room defaults for "Open Below") But of course we don't have access to those defaults

[Tundara Homes]

I find it very annoying when opening a previous version of a plan and find that all windows in the open to below rooms have dropped. I have to go into the rooms and select floor below.

[Joe Carrick]

I find it very annoying when opening a previous version of a plan and find that all windows in the open to below rooms have dropped. I have to go into the rooms and select floor below.

This is called a software change that "broke" something that was previously working. It's something that should never happen.