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11-10-2011, 05:48 AM #1
If I bought a CRAY super computer will CA be faster?
Simple question, I think. If I had a super computer would CA be much faster? Or is the hardware fast enough already that it is CA that is slow? If I had a CRAY super computer could I turn shadows on in render mode and I would not notice a slow down.......
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11-10-2011, 05:53 AM #2
Scott:
renders depend on your video card for ram and probably even the GPU for speed
raytraces depend on the cpu for speed and use PC ram
I suspect a superfast computer and a superfast video card then probably
isn't George using a Cray equivalent
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11-10-2011, 05:59 AM #3D. Scott Hall (The Bridge Troll)
San Diego, Ca.
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Asus P6T X58 ATX Core i7
Intel Core i7 920
6GB (3X2) DDR3 1600
NVIDIA GeForce 580 GTX
The videos we watch are not 100% gold, but if we find a gold nugget, the time spent viewing has a value.
We can please some of the people some of the time, but we can't please all the people all of the time..... but I will keep trying.
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11-10-2011, 06:31 AM #4
Scott:
I am not up on the latest/greatest video cards etc as I'm not in the market for one and the specs change "daily"
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11-10-2011, 06:38 AM #5
Probably one of the 500 series with 3GB would be better than what you have.
I've got a NVidea 580M GTX 3GB in my laptop. I often have 2 or 3 render views active at the same time and I use a lot of extra symbols for roofing, etc. I am able to zoom and rotate the views very fast.
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11-10-2011, 06:50 AM #6D. Scott Hall (The Bridge Troll)
San Diego, Ca.
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NVIDIA GeForce 580 GTX
The videos we watch are not 100% gold, but if we find a gold nugget, the time spent viewing has a value.
We can please some of the people some of the time, but we can't please all the people all of the time..... but I will keep trying.
If you are interested in keeping abreast of any new videos, please subscribe to my channel at YOUTUBE...... channel is ds hall
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11-10-2011, 06:55 AM #7
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11-10-2011, 06:56 AM #8
I really don't know what I am doing here, I thought the higher the number the better, but maybe the 500 series is the best. Maybe the GTX590.....
D. Scott Hall (The Bridge Troll)
San Diego, Ca.
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Asus P6T X58 ATX Core i7
Intel Core i7 920
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NVIDIA GeForce 580 GTX
The videos we watch are not 100% gold, but if we find a gold nugget, the time spent viewing has a value.
We can please some of the people some of the time, but we can't please all the people all of the time..... but I will keep trying.
If you are interested in keeping abreast of any new videos, please subscribe to my channel at YOUTUBE...... channel is ds hall
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11-10-2011, 07:13 AM #9Administrator
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NVIDIA ran through numbers like 7000, 8000, 9000 and then switched over to 100, 200, 300, 400, and 500. The 500 series is the latest at the moment.
In answer to your Cray question. The first Cray super computers are slower than your iPad is now. Current technology would be a lot faster than what you have currently, but assuming Chief ran on a super computer, which it doesn't, you could still build models that take a long time.Doug Park
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11-10-2011, 07:30 AM #10
My three year old computer had the 8800GTX, so now I think that one is pretty dated. Just got a new computer with the GTX590 and loving it. One of the only single cards (actually two-in-one) that will push three monitors natively. Thank you to George for the recommendation, I think it is the card he is currently running too.
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11-13-2011, 10:01 AM #11
Thanks Doug, very clear answer.... here is my computer man's response...
Here’s the main issue: When considering computer performance, you’re only as fast as the slowest component. Since we recently upgraded your RAM, we’re essentially left with the following:
1) The program has to pull data from the hard drive. (Textures, data, etc). Solid state drives are much faster than traditional hard drives. The most noticeable symptom of this would be slow loading times, but theoretically once the file is fully loaded, shouldn’t be much hard drive access.
2) The CPU performs calculations. Your processor, Core i7-920 is very fast, but there are faster.
3) The GPU (graphcis card) performs calculations. This is the upgrade you’re considering. I spent a bit of time reading forums/support for CA and it seems that certain views/renders are more CPU intensive whereas others are more GPU intensive.
4) Software limitations. Certain programs have limitations of exactly how fast they can process information based on the way the code was written. Regardless of the speed of the hardware, sometimes the software simply can’t go any faster. I found this support article from CA regarding things that can cause slowness on larger drawings. http://www.chiefarchitect.com/suppor...?faqNumber=521 One of these items was:
Chief Architect does not recommend reusing plan files by deleting everything out of an existing plan file and renaming it.
It is important to always start new plan or layout files from a template.
Not sure if any of the above suggestions are relevant, but essentially I’m hesitant about recommending an $800 video card without knowing specifically what is causing any of the slowness. It may not even be the graphics card that’s holding you back.
Also, part of the problem with the GTX 590 specifically (aside from very limited supplies)…. The GTX 590 is essentially two cards on one physical board, joined through what is called “SLI” technology. Each of the individual cards is slower than the card that is one step down (the GTX 580) but with two joined together, the performance is greater…IF the program supports it. Not all programs support SLI mode, so even with the fancy dual card, under the hood the software can only make use of one of them. I was unable to find anything on CA support as to whether or not it supports SLI mode. If it doesn’t, you’ll actually get superior performance by using a GTX 580 which is a significant savings.
We definitely would like to get the performance up to snuff for you, just want to be careful that you’re not spending money on an item that isn’t going to provide a good benefit.D. Scott Hall (The Bridge Troll)
San Diego, Ca.
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NVIDIA GeForce 580 GTX
The videos we watch are not 100% gold, but if we find a gold nugget, the time spent viewing has a value.
We can please some of the people some of the time, but we can't please all the people all of the time..... but I will keep trying.
If you are interested in keeping abreast of any new videos, please subscribe to my channel at YOUTUBE...... channel is ds hall
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11-10-2011, 07:52 AM #12Registered User Promoted
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I believe the issue with renderings and video cards had been covered pretty well elsewhere. Ray traces are different, but with renderings, I believe the limitations are with CA and not the video card.
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11-10-2011, 08:06 AM #13If I bought a CRAY super computer will CA be faster?
The size of your Library Browser content is also a factor, how you create (your procedures and habits) your plan and layouts is a factor, yes the character of your PC, its hardware, its cleanliness, its maintenance, other applications you have installed, especially the ones that run "in the background" all add up to "performance".
There is no real "standard" when discussing any program that runs on a Windows PC, there is acceptable and unacceptable, you might say a band of tolerance as opposed to any kind of scientific "standard".
DJPLast edited by David J. Potter; 11-10-2011 at 08:09 AM.
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11-12-2011, 11:00 AM #14Registered User
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Sorry, I beg to differ...just a matter of time
http://www.zdnet.com/news/microsoft-...mputers/136241
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11-12-2011, 11:05 AM #15Registered User
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Another article shows Cray and Microsoft have had a combined solution since 2008.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/...rcomputer/1589