Roof Planes on complex roof

[Gary Doski]

Scott:

I can't speak for Gary/Louis and it would be interesting to hear their definition of auto

for me, auto roofs means only making entries to the DBX's

it may take multiple stages of entries into various dbx's but it is still auto

for me manual means having to select roof planes and tweaking them via the move handles etc

for me Auto means Chief does all the "work"

for me auto means the entire operation is repeatable and could be programmed as a Ruby macro/script if Ruby were programmed to allow us to do that

Lew

As I said, the more custom your needs are, the more tweaking is needed, thus the more "manual" it becomes. Again, the auto roofs will get you most of the way there, if not all the way.

[dshall]

I did not see this question as I was busy typing my post, chill out, stop attacking!!

Yea, sorry about the attacking Gary, I was getting a bit frustrated. The frustration goes back to post #26 where you stated the roof in the picture needed no editing. Whereas I think you are now acknowledging for the roof to be correct it will take some manual editing. Even Louis did not point out that the roof needed editing, I wonder why that was left out. I was trying to learn something and two very experienced users were leaving out what I consider some pertinent information.

I am not adverse to paying for some quality tutoring. I have had some tutoring from some very knowledgeable users, including Al Frey, Louis Fernandez, and four different advanced training seminars taught by either Mont Stevenson, John Jones or Mike Neuss. I do appreciate your offer to give me some tutoring and I will certainly keep you in mind.

[Gary Doski]

The frustration goes back to post #26 where you stated the roof in the picture needed no editing. Whereas I think you are now acknowledging for the roof to be correct it will take some manual editing.

Apology accepted!

I did NO editing in my model that I displayed, which is what I said. This thread was about auto roofs and then trusses got added in along with different size rafters. So I set up my model, auto built the roofs, set up my roof parameters and auto framed the roof. (the only editing was to color the rafters blue for clarity). I also said, the more custom you need it the more editing will be involved.

The whole point is not about editing, as much as using the auto roof tool
it can save a bunch of time. People can do this any way they want, my point was to say, much of what you are doing manually can be done automatically saving time.

I would like to see more control in the room dbx, roof tab, to allow for more roof editing, IE: rafter size, o.c. spacing....

[louis]

Scott,

Look closely at his picture.

I got my teacher training from Al and Mike. Great guys!

[David J. Potter]

I found this an interesting thread from the standpoint of Human emotion and reaction.

The original poster was helped, his problem addressed. I believe all those who responded to be able, advanced users, who have long track records of helping others with Chief Architect use.

I believe that when you freely help others is universally a good thing, how that help is offered, at no charge in the Spirit of Help is secondary and its "rightness" or "wrongness" in the opinions of others is a rather useless waste of energy.
Everyone has opinions of what is right and wrong that are individual to them.

I recommend we just help others and respect the willingness of others to help. Chief Architect Inc software allows for more than one way to arrive at the various products you can make with it.

I like that fact and it should not be used to punish others for not knowing all those possible ways, especially when they are in the act of trying to help another.

DJP

[perryh]

I just don't think Gary understands what it takes to provide Full working plans as here in Calif. Huge difference between here and where he is. He probably has never heard of some of the things we have to provide.

[Jay M]

I just don't think Gary understands what it takes to provide Full working plans as here in Calif. Huge difference between here and where he is. He probably has never heard of some of the things we have to provide.

While New England isn't quite as strict as CA we do have 110 mph wind zone areas. Virtually all of my plans are designed for 110 zone which requires a ton of paperwork. So some of us not in CA do understand what is involved in a real set of construction documents.

Unfortunately as we all know most of the construction documents produced are sorely lacking any meat. Most have far too much fluff that is incorrect or totally unnecessary.

[Gary Doski]

I just don't think Gary understands what it takes to provide Full working plans as here in Calif. Huge difference between here and where he is. He probably has never heard of some of the things we have to provide.

Perry, "You don't think", and you obviously didn't read

My signature says, I am a CT Building Official...

So I have 35 years in construction, 25 years creating construction documents, 2 year structural design degree. The last 12 years of ongoing training for code compliance, etc. (required to have 30 hours per year) We do case studies all over the country, and use California many times because you have more history of failures.

So I know a bit about your code, especially since the "Terminator" was elected. Initially, California adopted the NFPA 5000 codes as a baseline for the future California Building Code, but when Gov Schwarzenegger was elected, he rescinded the use NFPA 5000, and California adopted the IBC. We are using the ICC codes also, your seismic code is more stringent, but it is the same code.

[perryh]

Building inspector means nothing to me, most out here are ex. contractors that couldn't make it . your docs are not what are required here , do you detail every shear wall connection and every nail needed.

[Gary Doski]

Building inspector means nothing to me, most out here are ex. contractors that couldn't make it . your docs are not what are required here , do you detail every shear wall connection and every nail needed.

I agree, I am still a design builder full time. I am a licensed Building Official, but do not work in that capacity. I did the certification to keep current with codes.

[Gary Doski]

do you detail every shear wall connection and every nail needed.

Yes, in High wind areas along the coast. Not a big deal if you know what you are doing.

[Grantbd]

I agree, I am still a design builder full time. I am a licensed Building Official, but do not work in that capacity. I did the certification to keep current with codes.

Or because you are short!. You need to read your posts as if they are written by someone else Gary, like all of us are having too!

[Jay M]

Or because you are short!. You need to read your posts as if they are written by someone else Gary, like all of us are having too!

Baaahaaaa.....and I thought I got snarky once in awhile when someone suggests reformating your hard drive because the toolbars reverted back to default or something foolish like it.....

[Gary Doski]

Or because you are short!. You need to read your posts as if they are written by someone else Gary, like all of us are having too!

Not seeing what you are seeing??

[Grantbd]

Baaahaaaa.....and I thought I got snarky once in awhile when someone suggests reformating your hard drive because the toolbars reverted back to default or something foolish like it.....

Its Baa'aa. The H is silent and its shorter