Design vs. engineering question

[Alaskan Son]

Marty,

Thank you. It sounds like you've confirmed what a couple of the other guys said.

It seems maybe the smartest thing to do is stop short of doing any engineering details at all. Don't step on anyone's toes, avoid the liability, and isn't it actually illeg..
I mean against the...
Er...frowned upon for an engineer to stamp something he/she didn't draw up?

Seriously though, all you engineers and architects out there, is my understanding correct? Are you permitted to stamp something (assuming its drawn correctly) if you didn't draw it up? Where is that line drawn legally?

I really do appreciate everyone's input on this. I know its a touchy subject and its easy to offend or be offended (especially when being corrected). I've also learned that being corrected (even when it initially feels like an offense) is one of the best ways to learn.

[lbuttery]

Are you permitted to stamp something (assuming its drawn correctly) if you didn't draw it up? Where is that line drawn legally?


Michael:

they don't have to draw it, but it does have to be drawn under their direct supervision.

scenario 1:
a drafter (employee or independent) sitting in the same office
given instructions on what to draw

hould be fine unless it could be proven that their was no
supervision

scenario 2:
a drafter (employee or independent) working at home via the internet
given instructions on what to draw

very questionable unless there is a proven record of supervision

with one engineer we worked with who was near retirement (old school)
he would create the hand drawing and then we would re-do it in chief
he would then review it and sign it

this allowed us to show the same cad detail from the various points of view
(left.ight,front,back,top,bottom)

he would do one drawing and we could have 6 drawings in the permit set
or we could do cross-sections etc

I kept the original drawing(s) and all the emails
at the end he printed and signed the final PDF's (sent vie email)
and we then added his pages to our pages (sent via courier)

as needed, we would annotate our pages giving a callout to his pages

Lew