Does anyone here use revision clouds?

[sutcac]

I think the scaling thing could work, but you would need to be able to scale it on both X & Y directions independently, not just both at once.

But often you might also want L-shaped or T-shapes, etc. With a sketch type tool, I guess ideally you would just draw the loops the same way you would on paper, but Chief would just convert each section to an arc automatically and I wouldn't want it to work like drawing sections of a polyline (click, drag, make sure your'e snapping to the end of the last arc, click, drag, etc.). I would want it to be one click, drag all the loops around, unclick.

Just my two cents about something I don't use very much.

But I suspect more and more building departments might start requiriing them as they are often part of the paper trail.

[Pat1217]

Can you please tell me what revision clouds are used for? I couldn't find anything in the help menu..

Thanks
Pat

[Ron Ravenscroft]

Can you please tell me what revision clouds are used for? I couldn't find anything in the help menu..

Thanks
Pat

When we submit drawings to the cities in the "Valley of the Sun" they turn into a very large fire hydrant & the reviewers (dogs) can not resist goin on them with a red pencil. We then have to correct the drawings. Each correction must be "clouded" and a revision triange next to the cloud.

[hotrodracer]

When we submit drawings to the cities in the "Valley of the Sun" they turn into a very large fire hydrant & the reviewers (dogs) can not resist goin on them with a red pencil. We then have to correct the drawings. Each correction must be "clouded" and a revision triange next to the cloud.

Ol hotrod during his 12 years of FHA service has been both a plan checker, building inspector, Cost Section Chief, Appraiser, and general 'know nothing.' Also Calif lic B contr since 1965 drawing plans w/ pencil and a Mayline board until I finally upgraded from Chief 1 thru 3 to CA 10.08a.

Now about Clouds? First encountered them a couple years back in Chino Hills. Not only had to use red outline clouds, but also attach a separate listing on which page the cloudy corrections were placed. Redundant to say the least. To be a PITA to offset the pita received, I placed the revised clouds all over the drawing sheets instead of my usual just change the 'offending,?,' area under consideration. Sometimes it is just difficult to tell the person on the other side of the counter that they do not know what they are looking at, and IF they did know what they were looking at, that all was OK as drawn... Yes, I did not earn any brownie points, but sure got a load of frustrations off my chest.

Excuse the long reply, but IMHO the talent on the other side of the counter is now mostly trained in some accredited school and follow a printed list of items for compliance, if they can read, and understand same.

Paul Gerber

[MarsWyoming]

I use them as well in both plan and now layout.
They are a very necessary tool I feel to bring
items to clients attention. I believe the tool
needs to be more along the line of Autodesks.
It is a free hand drawing tool wiith a few line
styles that bring the cloud to ones attention.


George Kelley

[WHirsch]

I frequently need revision clouds.

Seth, I suggest you download a demo of Bricscad and try out its revision cloud tool. It is the best I've seen. It is essentially a free hand tool. Like Autocad, an arc length variable specified by the user is required, but the Bricscad version has minimum and maximum arc length inputs. The arc length input is what makes scaling simple and allows the user to produce decent looking clouds quickly and without subsequent editing.

[Ron Ravenscroft]

I think the scaling thing could work, but you would need to be able to scale it on both X & Y directions independently, not just both at once.

But often you might also want L-shaped or T-shapes, etc. With a sketch type tool, I guess ideally you would just draw the loops the same way you would on paper, but Chief would just convert each section to an arc automatically and I wouldn't want it to work like drawing sections of a polyline (click, drag, make sure your'e snapping to the end of the last arc, click, drag, etc.). I would want it to be one click, drag all the loops around, unclick.

Just my two cents about something I don't use very much.

But I suspect more and more building departments might start requiriing them as they are often part of the paper trail.

I think a linestyle that made a "cloudline" would be nice

[kiwicad]

need drag handles on revision clouds to make revision clouds right angled in shape to cloud around affected areas etc

[Ray C]

Hi Folks
A search for clouds brought up this thread,, good one!

I’m looking for an “easy” way to place a cloud and have only the info within the cloud visible,,,,, place the cloud and all info (lines in cad or pl info in plan view) outside of the cloud be white out. Now it’s a send to cad detail to accomplish this task there,, very time consuming.

Here’s hoping someone has a procedure for this! :-)

Still in 10.0, Ray

[marty]

Ray has brought up a whole new topic - using the cloud to clip and cut. Another Datacad tool worth looking at. Draw a free form or regular closed shape and copy and paste what is enclosed anywhere. Very useful!

[Allen Brown]

Ray has brought up a whole new topic - using the cloud to clip and cut. Another Datacad tool worth looking at. Draw a free form or regular closed shape and copy and paste what is enclosed anywhere. Very useful!

Hi Gordon,

We already have that tool: Draw a closed polyline of any shape, select it, go to "Edit>edit area>edit area all floors". You can copy/paste, delete, point to point move, etc.

[marty]

I didnt realise you could do that - very useful.

The problem is the time when it would most useful is in cad details where edit area does not work.
Edit area also allows a "stretch" function but in cad mode this is not available. To achieve stretch I have copied a detail from the cad detail into the plan, stretched using edit area then copied it back.

The manipulation of cad items is still the main weakness in Chief. As the other tools get more powerful the cad shortcomings stand out even more.

[Ray C]

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We already have that tool: Draw a closed polyline of any shape, select it, go to "Edit>edit area>edit area all floors". You can copy/paste, delete, point to point move, etc.

Hi Allen
Ummmmmmmmmmm, I’m not too sure about that. I’m talking about, say, send a floor plan to layout, then go back to plan view and change the layer set, then draw a cloud around,, say the kitchen area,, the only parts of the drawing that are visible on screen now are those inside the cloud,, send to layout. I could then have the floor plan at ¼” scale and a cloud with the kitchen in it at say ½” scale on a sheet.

I know this can be accomplished by sending the plan to a cad detail,,, but,,, clouds of this type would be useful IMHO all over the place,,, larger scale details of sections of cross sections. I believe I saw this tool in ArchiCad,,,

Still in 10.0, back to work, Ray