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Thread: Settings that need faster access
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07-11-2008, 03:55 AM #46
All commands on the Edit toolbar should have shortcut keys, especially:
Transform/replicate
Block/unblock
Sticky mode
Make ParallelMaureen
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07-11-2008, 04:28 AM #47
You can use Shift + a key or Ctrl,Alt + a key.
But not 2 letters..
Multi letters would be better..........
Allen Colburn Jr.
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07-11-2008, 06:20 AM #48Administrator
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Our design of hot keys is such that adding multiple letters at a later date is possible. It is, however, more difficult to implement because single letter hot keys are supported directly by the system while multi stroke keys require more work to get right.
The argument for 2 letter keys being more mnemonic, while true is a weak argument. For example CL means what? Center Line, Current Layer, Create Line, etc. We use Ctrl X, Ctrl V for cut and paste as a standard and they are not at all mnemonic yet most people remember them without thinking once they start using them.
Hot keys are learned and you get used to what they mean through repetition. My read on this is that if you aren't using single stroke keys, you probably won't use 2 stroke keys either.
As far as our old set of keys goes, I would love it if someone would put together a better set of hot keys and distribute it or even send it to us as a candidate for inclusion in X2 as the new standard. We would of course keep the old set around as an option for those whose fingers have already learned to walk the keyboard using the old set.
Back to my question about repeat last command. Based on the comments here, it seems like what is being asked for so far is a few specific cases where it would be faster to have more of a painter mode for certain tasks, such as make parallel/perpendicular, break, etc. Is that correct?Doug Park
Principal Software Architect
Chief Architect, Inc.
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07-11-2008, 07:36 AM #49Originally Posted by Doug Park
By "painter mode" - can you describe more clearly what that means?Wendy Lee Welton
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07-11-2008, 09:05 AM #50habitual user
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Originally Posted by Doug Park
I think you're on the right track with the second comment. I understand that it would probably be bad business to give away too much of what may be under development, but I too would like a more clear description of how you see this working.Warren Hirsch
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07-11-2008, 11:08 AM #51
Here is a speed issue in my workflow which would be solved by some of the earlier suggestions regarding properties accessibility.
When I select something and bring up the dbx I no longer see the object as selected. Call me stupid by sometimes I need to still be able to see what I just selected.
If I had my properties (such as length for a cad line) on the surface, I could select my cad line (which is often a measuring tool) and adjust it's length numerically and see the results without closing the dbx and then reopening the dbx to tweak it again.alan lehman - Lehman Design Studio - Carmel, CA
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07-11-2008, 12:08 PM #52Registered User Promoted
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For me seeking hot keys has never been speed enhancer. I like them only because I use three mice with multiple buttons that I map my favorite hot keys to. Give me Icons for speed (which you have mostly).
Kelly
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07-11-2008, 12:23 PM #53Special Projects Director
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Originally Posted by Kelly K
Are they blind?Dan Park,
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07-11-2008, 01:18 PM #54
I don't use hot keys much but have seen how fast they can be.
Only problem with being able to set them is if you plan on working with other people.
Hot keys will not be standard..........
Allen Colburn Jr.
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07-11-2008, 02:37 PM #55Registered User Promoted
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Originally Posted by Dan Park
Nope; but occasionally they are uncooperative as you probably surmised.
Kelly
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07-11-2008, 04:01 PM #56Member-Cliff Cain
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Originally Posted by WendyWeltonCliff
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07-12-2008, 09:49 AM #57Originally Posted by WendyWelton
Every time you take your mouse off the drawing to pick a command you lose precious time. When you use both hands, one on the mouse and the other on the keyboard, there is no time lost and your production thoughts are not interupted by command/program operation thoughts. Saving hundreds to thousands of seconds per day, greatly improves production. Especially when you multiply it across multiple users in a firm.
One similar command to 'Last' is 'Previous'. It has subtle differences. Last works at the command level, where Previous works at the selection level. How many times have I multiselected numerous items, performed a command on them and then wanted to do another command on the same items only to have to reselect each item because the program drops the selection. Keeping a temporary listing of the last selection set should be very easy to implement.Karl Koning, Registered Architect - WA, CPBD
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07-12-2008, 10:12 AM #58Originally Posted by Doug Park
In support of 2 key hot-keys - they can be 'grouped' ZA-Zoom ALL, ZW-Zoom Window, ZP- Zoom Previous. Similar with other multi child commands. This will ultimately lead to something of a 'batch' command language and command line we can only hope.
Aside: As for Ctrl X, Ctrl V, they actually are mnemonic - in the language of editing - X was used to denote deletion, and the V or 'carat' ^ signified where to insert additional text.Karl Koning, Registered Architect - WA, CPBD
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07-12-2008, 10:33 AM #59Originally Posted by ktkcad
Exactly.
I once took a speed production class, and they wanted us to use our left hands for the mouse, so the right hand could do numbers at the same time. it took a hand injury to get me to finally switch. But, if you're talking pure time and motion, the dude was absolutely correct.Wendy Lee Welton
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I wrote code in 1984 to make my Sinclair 100 - so I used to be a programmer! So I can say with authority how easy it is to program Chief features! ;-)
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07-12-2008, 10:36 AM #60Originally Posted by ktkcad
My old software allowed us to Select Previous or Select Last. It's an incredible time saver - beyond what you can imagine.
Select Previous was the last thing selected. If you accidentally press "escape" and wish you had that selection set back - here you go.
Select Last selects the last thing you created. No aiming, no tabbing through things. Want that door you just inserted? Here it is. That wall? Ditto.Wendy Lee Welton
Lic: NH, ME, NY, MA, NCARB
603-431-9559
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I wrote code in 1984 to make my Sinclair 100 - so I used to be a programmer! So I can say with authority how easy it is to program Chief features! ;-)