Research: Text and Callouts

[arlan tingley]

Just a thought after going through this...post...what if the call outs become automatic?? That is if you make the call out and place it on the floor plan and specify it as a section then a pop up appears and adds a work sheet to make your notes on and then asks which sheet do you what to put this section on in the layout??As well as do you with to save this?? And yes Wendy has nice call outs and they remind me of AUTOCAD files where we wrote scripts and pushed a button then it would go do it. I hate AUTOCAD .ugh!!.... Can't believe i used to teach it...ugh!!! Even DATACAD was better..
Call outs need to be enhanced someway..AND a lot of good thoughts here. I would like to see them filled and when placed in the drawing then it would also place them on the other side of the plan as well. From the first placement...Just a thought..

[marty]

Doug

I just checked again and found that if the entire arrow is included in the selection it works- my test just picked up half the arrow.
Slightly of subject but that reminds of another Datacad feature - one icon for selcting everything contained within a selection and another contained and touched by selection. Small difference but large improvement in functionality.

[Glenn Woodward]

Doug
Slightly of subject but that reminds of another Datacad feature - one icon for selcting everything contained within a selection and another contained and touched by selection. Small difference but large improvement in functionality.

Marty,

Do you mean like the options contained in Preferences...Edit...Marquee Select:

Intersect Rectangle
Contained in Rectangle
Center Inside Rectangle

[marty]

OK OK Ok- - another option I was unaware of - thats exactly what I meant - but much more useful if accesible directly off the toolbar not buried in preferences.

[WendyWelton]

OK OK Ok- - another option I was unaware of - thats exactly what I meant - but much more useful if accesible directly off the toolbar not buried in preferences.

I use these settings all the time, and would dearly love to have them on toolbar buttons. I change these so often that I would like to be able to hotkey them.

[ktkcad]

Marty,

Do you mean like the options contained in Preferences...Edit...Marquee Select:

Intersect Rectangle
Contained in Rectangle
Center Inside Rectangle

Yes this is good but ACAD simplifies this. Draw the marquee left to right and it is inclusive, right to left it is only fully contained items. No clicking to change preferences or hot keys...after a few times it becomes second nature which way to pull the marquee.

[WendyWelton]

Yes this is good but ACAD simplifies this. Draw the marquee left to right and it is inclusive, right to left it is only fully contained items. No clicking to change preferences or hot keys...after a few times it becomes second nature which way to pull the marquee.

Karl,

Yes, this is how acad works and I like it very much. I was trying not to go the "acad does it..." route!

Dan,

I've used acad forever, taught it, trained it, etc. This is not a feature that people have trouble getting. As a matter of fact, I've found people get the hang of it far easier than remembering where the $#*%&%^ this setting is buried in the menu. And Karl is right, it becomes second nature amazingly fast.

I would be perfectly happy with that solution. I'd also be perfectly happy with hotkeys. It's having to drill down 3 clicks to get to this setting, after I stop to remember just where it's hidden, that's not floating my boat.

Remember that anything available only via a menu has the same downside. Just which menu is nowhere near as intuitive as you might think. Stair sections moving independently for instance: Is it a Default? A Preference? Edit? No wait, it's "Architectural"! Huh? You might just as well call that category "we couldn't decide".

[Doug Park]

Yes, but to the uninitiated the alternate selection based on direction is confusing. Given the confusion over what selection mode is currently active that we have seen here even though it is explicit, I could see this as a nightmare to support.

If we were to do this, it would have to be an advanced feature that you would turn on explicitly. Or access by holding down a modifier key.

[dshall]

Draw the marquee left to right and it is inclusive, right to left it is only fully contained items. No clicking to change preferences or hot keys...after a few times it becomes second nature which way to pull the marquee.

Yes please, this would be great, I watch some acad guys in the office and this is second nature to them.... please,please,please
-scott

[retire45]

Doug,

PLEASE do something about the selection issue.. Status quo in preferences is wrong.. I have used Datacad for years and it is a hotkey toggle to include partially windowed items.. The Autocad way I won't mind one bit.. It is elegant and simple.

Generally, CAD editing settings should not be a default one sets but on the fly or openly accessible..(concentric jump?) In Archicad they have little floating palettes that automatically appear and offer toggles.. even that is a little clumsy.

This goes back to a couple of suggestions a while back about dockable panels ..

[Larry Kumpost]

Draw the marquee left to right and it is inclusive, right to left it is only fully contained items. No clicking to change preferences or hot keys...after a few times it becomes second nature which way to pull the marquee.

On my AutoCAD it works the other way around.

I would like to see this feature as well.

Doug: Not sure why you think this would be so "confusing".

[JeffM]

On my AutoCAD it works the other way around.

I would like to see this feature as well.

Doug: Not sure why you think this would be so "confusing".

This is getting a bit off topic.

But when I used Acad (im a few versions behind), the marquee looked different. It was apparent that you were doing something different when dragging from top left or bottom right.

[Larry Kumpost]

This is getting a bit off topic.

But when I used Acad (im a few versions behind), the marquee looked different. It was apparent that you were doing something different when dragging from top left or bottom right.

I still use version 2002:

Drag a box (marquee) from top left I get only what is completely in the box and the box is a solid line.

Drag the box (marquee) from the lower right and I get everything that is in or partly in the box and the box is a dashed line.

You may be able to adjust how these display but I never have.

That is the way the marquee selection has always worked for me... going back to version 9.

[corrcadd99]

Hello,

I was a beta tester for Versions 10 and X1 and have vented out about this in the past.

I hope I don’t open a can of worms but I still prefer the 9.5 text . The text leader association was great. (When copying text the Leader followed) The leader was user friendly, snapped in ortho angles, was very fast and easy to use. I'm spending extra time tweaking crooked leader lines and adjusting leader starting/ending points (Leader Tails etc..)

The latest Chief X1 patch has some issues with leader lines disappearing (text is showing but the leaders are not) Huge Bug ! Please Fix ! This would be fine if the leader line was associated to the text as it was in version 9.5

An option to revert to 9.5 text would be great (Check Box in preferences)

I did not like Version 10 due to the text changes (I thought it was a step backwards - not as user friendly) , Version X1's text is better but still needs work.

If reverting to 9.5 text option (Preferences) is not feasible, Than the following improvements would be a step in the right direction.

1. Copying associated leaders when copying text (as in CA 9.5)
2. Snap the Leader line tails to set angle snaps.
( Again - I hate having to tweak crooked leader lines tails)
3. All of the other suggestion in this post combined (great suggestions)

Mike Corriveau
Corriveau Cadd

[Kelly K]

Hello,

I was a beta tester for Versions 10 and X1 and have vented out about this in the past.

I hope I don’t open a can of worms but I still prefer the 9.5 text ........
An option to revert to 9.5 text would be great (Check Box in preferences)

I did not like Version 10 due to the text changes (I thought it was a step back wards - not as user friendly) , Version X1's text is better but still needs work.

If reverting to 9.5 text option (Preferences) is not feasible, Than the following improvements would be a step in the right direction.

1. Copying associated leaders when copying text (as in CA 9.5)
2. Snap the Leader line tails to set angle snaps.
( Again - I hate having to tweak crooked leader lines tails)
3. All of the other suggestion in this post combined (great suggestions)

Mike Corriveau
Corriveau Cadd

Mike,

Thats interesting about 9.5, because I feel the same. In fact, I have retained my text files and have brought them forward with each successive upgrade (which was a disaster under ver 10, arrows flying out to nowhere seeking some fantasy connection). X1 seems to be better behaved as you indicated.

What's amusing is the other day I open ver 9 added some text and then copied it forward because I wanted to overwrite some of the changes that I had made in ver. 10.

So I guess I would agree.

Kelly