Research: Text and Callouts

[RMorrison]

Thanks Dan...Yes I do sometimes use the text leader tool, however, I have several different text layers, (floor plan text, floor framing text, etc.), and I'd have to change the layer for the text leader every time I switch notes.

Barb,
Have you tried this lately? The leader layer changes automatically with the text layer. This was a "bug" that's been fixed.

[FrankL]

I would like to have the ability to convert to upper or lower case in a word, sentance or parragraph.

[slatta]

Barb,

i quit using leaders, too slow, I just use a line on the current layer, with no arrowhead

[ibuild]

1. Show text size in the format you type it without using the numstyle button....which is global. EG. On layout, I use text size of .1....it doesn't display that way. It should, regardless of numstyle setting.

2. To Upper / to lower to change the case of text as reqd.

3. Text leader matching text layer

4. "Smart text/leader"....you should be able to define default layers for annotation (text/leaders, dimensions) attached to objects in the object specification. Any text "attached" to that object is automatically placed on the default text layer for that object.

EG....if you work with base cabinets, a default layer for text objects (text and leaders) could be set in the base cabinet default dialog on a new "annotation" tab. If the leader is started on or near (user defined proximity) a base cabinet, the text and leader would automatically be placed on the default text layer for the base cabinet.

[dshall]

I am also forever turning on text layers that I don't want on when adding text to different layer sets. I set up different text layers on each layer set that I work on. Each time I change layer sets I also must change my text layer. It would be nice to text default to each layer set automatically. This also would be good for default cad layer assigned to a layer set, also dimensions.

Amen... however the macro idea discussed in an earlier post might be the answer to this issue
-scott

[WendyWelton]

1 - The ability to create text by first drawing the shape of the desired text box. I spend an awful lot of time zooming out, grabbing the far edge, dragging it in...

2 - Then have user controlled options for Chief to place the attachment point of the leader arrow where we want. Vaguely centered is not correct, unless there's a vertical line "gathering" the whole note. It should attach centered on the first line if at left, centered on the last line if at right.

3 - For leader with note at left, option to have it left justify and the leader come to the end of the last line.

4 - For when the arrow is added after text place - Barb's check box for left or right.

5 - Bold, underline, etc - within the text. Also, bullets, indents and numbered lists please.

6 - Callouts obey the default text layer setting.

7 - Similar to Perry's and Kelly's above - maybe an auto complete thing like Word has would work better? No need to go pull off a menu, just hit enter if it's guessing correctly - with it drawing from a list we create.

8 - Options for graphic appearance on callouts - solid fill for one.

9 - Persistent callouts & dimensions - like text on layout page 0. If we could put column designation lines and their tags, section tags, repeating notes, and some of the dimensions on layers that would display on all floor levels, that would be a great QC aid and time saver. I'm saying layers (as opposed to a new "floor level", because I'd like dimensions to be part of this, and they need to attach to something). Reference layer doesn't work because it only goes up or down one level, and we need it for other things.

10 - And of course, the holy grail, automatic linking of section or detail callout to the label on the detail, page number, etc. But, you're already doing that, right?

11 - and finally, my Pet Feature - a much much much faster way to change all the Annotation Defaults, and save them in collections of some sort - particularly default layers, but also size, arrow type & size, etc

Oops - almost forgot one!

12 - A smart text thing that gives a readout of sf for a polyline. I think you'd have to have the attached leader have it's other end glued to the polyline.

[Doug Park]

If I'm reading this right as a matter of priority it looks like making it easier to set the defaults (layer, font, size, etc.) for text is a higher priority than adding font runs. Is this correct?

[WendyWelton]

If I'm reading this right as a matter of priority it looks like making it easier to set the defaults (layer, font, size, etc.) for text is a higher priority than adding font runs. Is this correct?

What are "font runs"? Is it the bold and such? If so, my answer to this is definately yes. For me this includes dimensions and cad lines as well.

I need to change the default text layer, dimension layer, and default cad layer sometimes as often as every 5or 10 minutes, and almost always as often as every half hour or so. Add the times I'm also changing from details to plan, with the changes is text and arrow sizes for both text and dimensions. It's an awful lot of clicks.

[MarkST]

Hi Folks

I don't have time to read this thread, but someone suggested i add my suggestion to this thread. Here it is.

Red lines and little camera symbols indicate the section cuts I make. What I would like to do now is click a few buttons and have those camera symbols turn into section callouts. There are cross references that can result from that, as SutCac suggested, but my goal initially is just to have those camera symbols become section symbols. After all, the camera symbols are in exact positions and occur across all plan views. I have three floors and eight cuts. 3 times 8 equals 24 places I now have to manually place section symbols that I will never be able to get perfect like the computer can. They will all be in different positions. The computer should do this for me. Whatya say?

[WendyWelton]

Hi Folks

I don't have time to read this thread, but someone suggested i add my suggestion to this thread. Here it is.

Red lines and little camera symbols indicate the section cuts I make. What I would like to do now is click a few buttons and have those camera symbols turn into section callouts. There are cross references that can result from that, as SutCac suggested, but my goal initially is just to have those camera symbols become section symbols. After all, the camera symbols are in exact positions and occur across all plan views. I have three floors and eight cuts. 3 times 8 equals 24 places I now have to manually place section symbols that I will never be able to get perfect like the computer can. They will all be in different positions. The computer should do this for me. Whatya say?

Me too please. I love it. (And thanks to those who've requested before - this is not a new request, but totally bears repeating)

I would add:

1 - Option to have the camera double as the section call out or not (so working sections don't clutter things up)

2 - Include perspective cameras in this - we use and key those views as well.

3 - Allow us to put them on different layers - so the kitchen one doesn't show on the architectural plan, etc.

[mpucci]

Hi All,
1) Multi leader
Autocad finally has produced a valuable text leader. I'd like to see Chief implement a similar leader. I must also say, that I love Chief, but do all my construction documents in autocad for a variety of reasons, one being annotation.

Most of my construction notes are in the form of leader, so it saves a lot of time when they work well.

See the attached PDF it explains it better than I could describe it.

2) Grid function - Vectorworks has a grid bubble tool that allow a layout grid to be annotated to plan with numeric or alpha symbols. This helps in complex buildings to keep oriented from one floor to the next. It resides on a layer that is visible on all floors.

3) Callouts - These are good, however it would be better if it had a flag, attached to the callout.

3a) Callout - Revit has a section tool, much like Chief's camera tools. The section tool has bounding boxes (like backclip) to limit the scope of the section cut, and its its own callout. I think the section camera tool should work like this too.

4) I'd like to group text with other items to make blocks

5) fix the export to autocad, so text styles, and type export correctly

Thanks
Mike

[Glenn Woodward]

[QUOTE=mpucci]Hi All,
1) Multi leader
Autocad finally has produced a valuable text leader. I'd like to see Chief implement a similar leader. I must also say, that I love Chief, but do all my construction documents in autocad for a variety of reasons, one being annotation.

Most of my construction notes are in the form of leader, so it saves a lot of time when they work well.

See the attached PDF it explains it better than I could describe it.


Mike,

I don't use Autocad, but I am just curious as to why you can't use Chief's Leader Line tool. It seems pretty close to the one described in the .pdf. Not quite as good, I admit, but Chief can do most of those things.

[WHirsch]

If I'm reading this right as a matter of priority it looks like making it easier to set the defaults (layer, font, size, etc.) for text is a higher priority than adding font runs. Is this correct?

It certainly is for me, but I don't want to have to keep changing defaults. I'd love to see some style variables: ability to set up different dimension styles, leader styles, and text styles. Set them up once in the templates and change them with a click or two.

[WendyWelton]

It certainly is for me, but I don't want to have to keep changing defaults. I'd love to see some style variables: ability to set up different dimension styles, leader styles, and text styles. Set them up once in the templates and change them with a click or two.

Yes. This sums it up for me also.

[sutcac]

Yes. This sums it up for me also.

Ditto. This is one area where I am definitely on the "Improve Con Doc Production" bandwagon.

I can live with the typing (though do like the font run idea) but the defaults issue is a major PITA.