Build Foundation in X1

[zoome]

In Ver 10, when I used the build foundation tool. I would change the main layer to the sheathing layer before the build. That way the outside of the foundation went to the outside of the sheathing. In X1 the foundation does not build the same way. Ir always builds to the outside of the framing layer, In my case, this is always 1/2" inside of where I want it.

I do have a work around that I have been using, but I would like to have more control over how the foundation is auto generated.

Any suggestions?

Zoome

[Allen42acj]

Hi Dan
Doesn't that screw up your dimensions?
If your house is 24' x 36' do you get a foundation 1" bigger each way?
24'1" x 36' 1"

[WendyWelton]

Edit your wall definition so that the outside of sheathing is the "main" layer.

[zoome]

Allen,

I really do know what I am doing when it comes to building houses and drawing them (at least I think I do ...). It is Chief that I am having issues with. If I have a house that is let's say 24'x36', I want the foundation to be 24'x36' and I want the outside of the sheathing to be the same. I am having issues with the auto generated foundation building properly in X1.

Wendy,

I am doing that but the foundation still generated to the framing layer. In v10, I did what you suggested and it worked fine. In X1, different story. When I change the main layer it seems to have no affect on how the foundation is generated.

I do have a work around but it is annoying to me to need to do this. First, i generate the foundation; Then I modify my foundation wall type to be 1/2" thicker than what it was and I set it to resize to the inside surface (this pushes the wall out by 1/2"); Then I set my foundation back to the desired width and set it to resize to the outside surface and this gets me to where I want to be.

Thanks for the comments but I am still at odds with X1.

Zoome

[DL Drafting]

Dan,
I was about sick when I read this thread and had to confirm it. I do foundations the same way and never had any problems in 10. Haven't done any plans in X1 yet, because of all the bugs. So now there is one more thing to worry about. Thanks for making us aware of it. We always frame so the sheathing is flush to the outside edge of the foundation. For spec houses we use plenty of T-111 and vinyl so it allows the siding to slide right past the sheathing layer and tight to the fdn. Dan

[DL Drafting]

Hey Dan,
I'll bet they even form foundations that are actually 8-foot high where you live, instead of 7'-10 1/2". Could it possibly be!? :>)

[zoome]

I do have a work around but it is annoying to me to need to do this. First, i generate the foundation; Then I modify my foundation wall type to be 1/2" thicker than what it was and I set it to resize to the inside surface (this pushes the wall out by 1/2"); Then I set my foundation back to the desired width and set it to resize to the outside surface and this gets me to where I want to be.

This work around does work fine. I thought I had it down in ver 10 by changing the main layer temporarilly and then changing in back. I guess I was trying to get a confirmation that things do not work as they did in ver 10.

There are a few strange things in X1 that I did not expect.

Zoome

[zoome]

Hey Dan,
I'll bet they even form foundations that are actually 8-foot high where you live, instead of 7'-10 1/2". Could it possibly be!? :>)

I am not quite sure what you mean by this but I do make my 8' foundations 8' 1 1/2" to account for the sill plate. I have always been troubled by this but I do it anyways.

Zoome

[DL Drafting]

I hear ya. The trouble with the work arounds is that, well, they are work arounds. Why can't we set "dimension to" and "build to" and have those commands actually work?
But, alas, I rant. I do appreciate the work around info. I hope they fix X1 before I have to use it, though. I really rely alot on "align with above/below" command, especially on complicated plans with lots of corners and offsets. Seems as if Chief likes to move them at night while you sleep. I would be surprised if the "align" command will work consistently once the walls have been so modified. Later. Dan

[DL Drafting]

Yep. That's what I'm talkin' about on the foundation height.

[Allen42acj]

[QUOTEAllen,

I really do know what I am doing when it comes to building houses and drawing them (at least I think I do ...). It is Chief that I am having issues with. If I have a house that is let's say 24'x36', I want the foundation to be 24'x36' and I want the outside of the sheathing to be the same. I am having issues with the auto generated foundation building properly in X1.

][/QUOTE]
I was not questioning your knowledge about building and hope you didn't take it the wrong way.
I wanted to know if that screwed up your dimensions..

[zoome]

Hi Dan
Doesn't that screw up your dimensions?
If your house is 24' x 36' do you get a foundation 1" bigger each way?
24'1" x 36' 1"

I was not questioning your knowledge about building and hope you didn't take it the wrong way.
I wanted to know if that screwed up your dimensions..

I did not take it the wrong way. I am trying to avoid the situation you noted in the first quote above. I want the outsind of the sheathing to match the outside of the foundation. Chief makes the foundation 1" smaller (in X1).

Not taken the wrong way.

Zoome

[Allen42acj]

Thanks
Now I understand what you are complaining about..

[WendyWelton]

I'm still confused.

If I edit my wall type as shown and then use auto dimensions, they go to the outside of the sheathing. If I then generate a foundation, it aligns the outside face of foundation with the outside of the sheathing, confirmed by auto dimensions. What is it that you're trying to do that isn't this? Or are you not getting these results?

[Allen42acj]

These post have made me rethink about the way I have been doing it and your confusing me more..
Decided to leave what I do alone.As long as the foundation and 1st floor dimensions are the same I don't care if the plywood overhangs or not in plan.
Foundations don't always come out exact or square and the sill get adjusted to be square and fit what is there.
Some times the house is made bigger,some times smaller..That 1/2" on paper means very little in my mind..
Not trying to say your wrong Dan,just wanted to say this for others that might be rethinking or confused too.
If the foundation guys have older wooden forms,they can stretch inches..
Not every contractor goes with the best form guys,most look for the cheapest..