Who says clients don't pay for modeling?

[lbuttery]

Your post illustrates the other aspect of our business model
as I am a teacher by nature (and training) and will be doing presentations to the client as you recommend.

I don't see us getting into the estimating market and prefer to leave that to the builder. I have too many other areas of Chief to learn for now.

The builder has been doing design/build and they have architects (including one of the owners) on staff using Autocad.

They were working with a Chiefer but he became a problem and they sought out another Chiefer and ...

They want to do Chief for the sales presentation and the working documents for permits.

At the moment they see us doing some of their projects, maybe in time it will become "all"